“China’s Industrial Speedrun”

[neurosis]

I'm not glued to the fk'n tv or news like most here.

That explains your opinion on the projected small industrial revolution in the United States.  I keep hearing them say it, but everything I read and hear from nearly everywhere else say's the opposite so far.

If you're right, you can always come back in and hand out some I told you so's. 

[Smit]

Bro, I'm not glued to the fk'n tv or news like most here.

Which is another way of saying you don't really know what's going on but you're still gonna call balls and strikes the way you see 'em anyway.

Go for it, Angel.

[neurosis]

Bro, I'm not glued to the fk'n tv

You can read this in your leisure time. 


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-manufacturing-slump-deepens-november-2025-12-01/

[Bucky Cornstarch]

Rstewart never listened to Rush, either.

[beej]

I would say the entire U.S. has become complacent. We have become so used to the idea of "American Exceptionalism" that we can't even imagine not being the preeminent power in the world. People think we don't even have to try to be exceptional, we just are. Without trying. It's our right, eh?

If our politicians are not forward looking, whose fault is that? Who voted for them?

Instead of leading the world it seems we're determined to NOT lead the world.

Green energy is a perfect example of that. Jimmy Carter installed solar panels on the White House. Ronald Reagan had them removed. The rest is history.

We should be leading the world in green technology, but instead we left the door open for China to seize one of the big markets of the future while we double down on fossil fuels. Not very forward thinking it seems.

Our companies are driven by short term gains, not building a sustainable future. For example, everybody here knows how difficult it is to find a good, experience machinist. That's not going to be something we can fix in the short term.

The tariff wars we're having right now is another example of how self destructive we are. While we're fighting the whole world for "fair trade", China is expanding their export markets to places we aren't friendly with anymore. It's hard to see those places coming all the way back, even if they would prefer to not deal with China.

China is investing in their country while we are not. I just can't understand how we don't have high speed trains between major cities here.

It seems our country is just not capable of doing great things anymore.

there is a lot in your post that I agree with. and some things that I think, we both want the same thing but disagree on how to get there.

on the high speed trains thing, I would just say, that is a very good question, and you need to ask your own party leaders that question, because they keep trying to get it done in California and stopping for cost overruns. Ezra Klein has spent some time talking about how Democrats seem to shoot themselves in the foot with projects like this. we want high speed trains to help the environment but then there will be some endangered crustacean who will be harmed by it and it stops the project, then they try to move the project that ends up costing twice as much, but then if you do that, it causes a protest by an indigenous group, that can not be offended, and so it either gets stopped or becomes even more expensive to move to a different area, and on and on it goes.

China would have just said, to hell with the crustaceans, and they might even force the indigenous people to build it as semi-slave labor. If you protest there, you disappear.

I've told this story before, but the Obama administration demanded renewable energy from our energy companies. In northern Missouri they built a huge wind farm. spent billions doing it, only to shut it down after they found some dead Indiana brown nosed bats at the foot of the windmills. As a compromise they now, only run it during daylight hours. sometimes the government is it's own worst enemy.

[ghuns]

..some dead Indiana brown nosed bats at the foot of the windmills...

Damn. I was wondering where they went.

[Smit]

there is a lot in your post that I agree with. and some things that I think, we both want the same thing but disagree on how to get there.

We can agree on that.

[neurosis]

Ezra Klein has spent some time talking about how Democrats seem to shoot themselves in the foot with projects like this.

He did a great job holding Newsomes feet to the fire on this and Newsome had to admit that his State had some red tape issues.

[beej]

Damn. I was wondering where they went.

even more infuriating, I was at a state park in Missouri, they were giving a tour of an old mill there. The tour guide mentioned that the mill had been home to some endangered Indiana brown bats. and that the noticeable smell in the air was from bat guano. a kid asked where are the bats now. the guide replied, "another interesting question!" A six foot long black snake had taken up residence in the old mill and ate the endangered bats. the obvious next question was, did anybody kill the snake and he said they did not because they saw it as natural predation.

So they thought so much of the bats that they stopped the wind farm, but not enough of them to kill the snake.

[Rstewart]

Rstewart never listened to Rush, either.

Rush is a pretty sick band, for sure.

If you're talking about that goober that used to be on the radio?  I'm a little young for that, couldn't tell you one thing he preached

[CNCAppsJames]

Sometimes the government is it's own worst enemy.

SOMEtimes...

I wish I shared your optimism. Of the myriad of things wrong with this nation, the overwhelming majority are a direct result of government.  Their answer for everything is #MOARGovernment. They cannot conceive in their low IQ tiny brains that they are the source of the problem.

What's that saying.... the people that created the problem are wholly incapable or unwilling to solve the problem.

[CNCAppsJames]

...Newsome had to admit that his State had some red tape issues.

OMG.... "some" red tape issues. That's like saying the US has some debt.

The entire state is one gigantic roll of red tape. Government is so entrenched in every aspect of everything that goes on there... absurd would be a relief.

[mowens]

Rush is a pretty sick band, for sure.

If you're talking about that goober that used to be on the radio?  I'm a little young for that, couldn't tell you one thing he preached

Geddy Lee has a voice like Yoko Ono.

[Smit]

on the high speed trains thing, I would just say, that is a very good question, and you need to ask your own party leaders that question, because they keep trying to get it done in California and stopping for cost overruns.

Just a quick observation here....I notice there is a shortage of high speed trains in the other 49 states also.

Is that an indicator that maybe it's not just a California/Democrat thing and maybe it's a national/democrat/republican/citizen thing?

[beej]

Just a quick observation here....I notice there is a shortage of high speed trains in the other 49 states also.

Is that an indicator that maybe it's not just a California/Democrat thing and maybe it's a national/democrat/republican/citizen thing?

that's a fair question. I honestly don't know. There has been talk of a high speed rail between KC and St Louis. I think that would be great, but I don't know what the cost would be. and of course, we have to make sure we don't kill any bats while saving the earth