Trump on Greenland: We'll Make a Deal the Easy Way or the Hard Way

[mowens]

Ignoring that, can you answer the question?

Why should he ignore that?

[jstell]

So you really can't sit there and say one is better than the other.

Really stupid bullshit take on your part

Why should he ignore that?

You pretty much asked for it.

Mostly because he's using indignation to dodge the question.  But especially because he's trying to create a moral equivalency between the Orange Turd and some hypothetical Democrat straw man.  And @beej claims to not believe in moral relativism, so either he's a hypocrite or he needs to admit that drumpf is morally corrupt and a f-ing disaster for the reputation of this country on the world stage.

[CNCAppsJames]

Perhaps "exerting influence" works for you?  What do you call using the FCC to force Kimmel off the air, albeit only for a handful of days because like many dumb ideas, it didn't work.
But what has been done at CBS, cancelling the Late Night show to get their merger with Paramount signed off, and forcing them to install a "friendly" in the form of Bari Weiss.  Or all the meritless lawsuits against other media.  from the NYT article posted earlier today in a different thread (...justify the grift)  https://archive.ph/WzzXY#selection-485.0-485.407

So lets see here... BY CONGRESSIONAL CHARTER, the FCC has a great deal of control (read death penalty control) over OTA TV channels (CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, and two more I'm forgetting ATM). They MUST serve "the public good". That is the mission when broadcasting OTA on PUBLIC frequency bands. Late Night TV hasn't served the public good since Jay Leno retired but obviously that is public opinion and totally subjective. The View is still on... how? I have no idea. But Freedom of Speech is prevailing in that endeavor just time. But, the fact of the matter with regard to Kimmel is he said things that crossed a line that went beyond freedom of speech and as a result was punished... albeit for WAY too short a span of time.

"Meritless lawsuits?" You have solid takes for the most part even though we may heartily disagree, but if you could step back and take off the #OrangeManBad glasses for a minute, before Trump decided to run for the highest public office, he was the darling of the left. Even Oprah doded over him. When he chose to run and he decided he was going to be a major disruption to the status quo, he became Public Enemy #1. And the MSM's negative press machine has been merciless and relentless in that endeavor. Anythhing negative (real or imaginary) is shouted from the mountaintops. Anything positive is ignored and suppressed. So much so that it violates not only any semblance of common decency, but nearly every journalism rule written and unwritten. When EVERYTHING is negative, nothing is anymore. Cried wolf over running in the hallways with scissors as a kid and the like that it's now just tiresome noise. Shoudl have not cried wolf so much. Now we all suffer. Nice job.

I get it, in public he's crass, he's classless, and a whole host of other negative things, but when serial sexual predator and cocaine runner William Jefferson Clinton and his executioner wife gets a pass for their behavior and deeds. Nary a word about it. Nary a word about Biden's cognitive decline. Only words about and for #OrangeManBad.

[CNCAppsJames]

...drumpf is morally corrupt and a f-ing disaster for the reputation of this country on the world stage.

Son.... the CIA did that LONG before you and I were even a gleam in our daddies eye. THe only difference between the CIA's misdeeds and Trump's are Trump's are front and center, and the CIA's are buried deep in policy papers that are so dry even policy wonks have a hard time getting through it. SO spare us the righteous indignation when it comes to #OrangeMandBad doing bad.

Personally, whatever mayhem we're creating with NATO... I'm ok with it. NONE of the member nations have been paying their contractual share.

And world stage reputation? IDGAF anymore. I really and truly don't. I've been watching our so-called allies take advantage of our largess since the 90's and frankly, I've had enough. If we piss them off, too bad, so sad. They have been behaving like petulant children for decades and it's time for it to stop. Now, obviously we have our part in that, but it's time we stop the abuse. It's time we stop giving money to nations and people that hate us. Its time we let nature take it's course. If that means, we  enlarge our borders, well, than that's what it means. It's either us or it's China, and I vote for us. You vote for whomever you want. 

 

[jstell]

TV hasn't served the public good since

... Fox began broadcasting its "Fair and Balanced" rage bait.

with regard to Kimmel is he said things that crossed a line that went beyond freedom of speech

In what way exactly?  He said some stuff that a lot of people didn't like.  He maybe even was crass and more than a little insensitive.  Kinda reminds us of someone else that never shuts up doesn't it?  But did he call "fire" in a crowded theater?  Did he encourage or incite anyone to engage in a criminal act?  No.

he chose to run and he decided he was going to be a major

... mouthpiece for bigotry and hate, but mostly just lies.  On day one in office, the press had to have a little sit-down with itself, and decide how to cover the presidency in light of, as you say, "major disruption to the status quo".  They really wrestled with how to delicately avoid saying "the president lied".  Kellyanne Conway helped them out a little by coining the phrase "alternative facts" which as the interviewer pointed out at the time, was in reference to an obvious and provable falsehood.  On the campaign trail he had already denied saying things that he was on tape saying, endlessly repeated "fake news" and that the press is thee enemy of the American people.  I'd say he pretty much started that hate-hate relationship you are so concerned with the press waging.

If he doesn't want people/press to say bad things about him I have a helpful suggestion:  Stop doing terrible stuff!

[CNCAppsJames]

Oooooohhhhhh kay.

 

 

[Bucky Cornstarch]

& William Jefferson Clinton

Nutboy sure does type a lot of words when he deflects so I fixed it for him.

[neurosis]

It's either us or it's China, and I vote for us. You vote for whomever you want. 

It's going to be us on our own the way we're going. And what if the rest of them choose China over us? We've made a great case for them to do that.

[Newbeeee™]

It's going to be us on our own the way we're going. And what if the rest of them choose China over us? We've made a great case for them to do that.

What about Boeing's Chynuh factory.... and Honeywell's.... and Curtiss Wright... and and etc.
Let alone the commercial sectors.
And the green sectors....
Murrican factories have moved to, and built Chynuh.
Near everything, can and is bought from there.
My 10bucks says less than fukall will be happening.... as my 'ol chap would say, it's all mouth and no trousers!

[CNCAppsJames]

It's going to be us on our own the way we're going. And what if the rest of them choose China over us? We've made a great case for them to do that.

And if they choose communism historical illiteracy ... they made their bed.

  

[neurosis]

And if they choose communism historical illiteracy ... they made their bed.

 

You really think so? Haven't we proven that we can't be trusted?

[jstell]

we can't be trusted?

I think that the untrustworthy half just happens to be the forward facing loudmouths right now.  But there's always hope, or at least comic relief.  Like this guy.
   

[neurosis]

Son.... the CIA did that LONG before you and I were even a gleam in our daddies eye. THe only difference between the CIA's misdeeds and Trump's are Trump's are front and center, and the CIA's are buried deep in policy papers that are so dry even policy wonks have a hard time getting through it. SO spare us the righteous indignation when it comes to #OrangeMandBad doing bad.

So what are you doing here? justifying it?

[CNCAppsJames]

So what are you doing here? justifying it?

No, just pegging the irony meter for sport because as is OFTEN the case, ESPECIALLY in here, we'll criticize, oh say... Russia for doing a particular thing, but will totally ignore it when our very own CIA does EXACTLY the same thing.



 

[CNCAppsJames]

You really think so? Haven't we proven that we can't be trusted?

We ALL have. The problem is we need stuff. A lot of that stuff is already spoken for because we were too stupid or too lazy to work out agreements to maintain the supply chain. So now, because the stuff is becoming harder and harder to acquire via traditional methods we now have to engage in unsavory behavior to acquire the stuff. Had we had the foresight it could have all been avoided. Oh... and if we didn't normalize relations with China in Nixon's administration, and grant Chino "Most Favored Nation status in Clinton's administration we wouldn't have to do so much shady stuff. But her we are...