Vaccination and work

[DUM1]

experience with Jerusalem artichokes, AKA sunchokes, AKA fartichokes. I have some growing in a planter but I haven't tried them yet.

I like them their like water chess nuts , not gassy to me . they grow like crazy big though .

[JParis]

Jerusalem artichokes are no relation to artichokes. They are a tuber, the taste is supposed to be close to a potato. The chief reason to use them would be that they have a non-digestible sugar and are not going to spike a diabetic's blood sugar. That is also the reason that they cause gas.

Just bought some from Amazon to give them a shot

[Del.]

My daughter who is an RN says her hospital has 150 Covid patients.  2 ICU beds available with a dead person in one bed.

[Zoober]

I am down 12 lbs in 2-1/2 weeks of doing keto.
Weight loss wasn't even a goal. Although it is welcome.
Had 2 Wendy's baconators with "lettuce as the bun"
8g carbs. Vs 36 with bread.

While I'm not doing full blown Keto, I am Carb restricted....under 60 Net carbs per day...

That said, if you start jones'ing for a burger on a bun....check out
https://solasweet.com/">https://solasweet.com/

I've been eating their bread & rolls for sometime now...

I miss bread the most. 2g net isn't bad.
 I've been making a almond flour flatbread for dipping in olive oil and herbs (think bonefish grill)to go with our meat and cheese  and olives platter snacks.
Thanks for the heads up!

[Zoober]

When I started to look into diet and in general improving my health/life, Keto was one that came up. It was studies like these that changed my mind about keto. My take is; short term keto can be a great way to lose weight and reverse a poor health trajectory. Long term there are increasing risks the longer you eat that way.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.702802/full#h1">https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 02/full#h1">https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.702802/full#h1

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667%2818%2930135-X/fulltext">https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanp ... X/fulltext">https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30135-X/fulltext

The first article lost me at " Extreme carbohydrate restriction can profoundly affect diet quality, typically curtailing or eliminating fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes and increasing consumption of animal products. "
I have actually increased my fruit and veggie intake while still holding carbs to under 30g a day.
Those articles are targeting a hyper ketosis crowd. As with anything, moderation and sensible nutrition is key. I'll wager my diet is lacking less nutrients than 95% of the vegan diets being utilized. I also have a pretty good handle on supplementation and dietary balance.
The sta

[YoDoug]

When I started to look into diet and in general improving my health/life, Keto was one that came up. It was studies like these that changed my mind about keto. My take is; short term keto can be a great way to lose weight and reverse a poor health trajectory. Long term there are increasing risks the longer you eat that way.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.702802/full#h1">https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 02/full#h1">https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.702802/full#h1

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667%2818%2930135-X/fulltext">https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanp ... X/fulltext">https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30135-X/fulltext

The first article lost me at " Extreme carbohydrate restriction can profoundly affect diet quality, typically curtailing or eliminating fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes and increasing consumption of animal products. "
I have actually increased my fruit and veggie intake while still holding carbs to under 30g a day.
Those articles are targeting a hyper ketosis crowd. As with anything, moderation and sensible nutrition is key. I'll wager my diet is lacking less nutrients than 95% of the vegan diets being utilized. I also have a pretty good handle on supplementation and dietary balance.
The sta

First, those aren't articles, they are published studies.

Nutrients are not the issue. The issue is not the exact number of grams of carbs, it is whether or not you stay in ketosis for extended periods. It also has to do with weight and body fat. For people with excess body fat ketosis really helps them start to lose weight and they see all the benefits that most people see when you lose weight. However when they start to get down to lower levels of body fat the issues increase. Ketosis is essentially tricking your body into thinking it is in starvation mode by reducing carbs to the point that there is not enough glucose in the blood for energy. the body then produces ketones which break down fats to convert them into glucose for energy. When someone of low body fat is in ketosis they need to consume enough fat or the ketones will starting breaking down muscle and even worse affecting other vital organs. I have an uncle that went on keto for about 2 years. He was super strict and lost a ton of weight. He looked great and said he felt great, until the ketosis caused pancreatitis. He nearly died and spent 6 months in the hospital. The end result was kidney failure and now he will be on dialysis for the rest of his life. The hospital doctors told him it is not common because most people aren't that good at staying that strict in keto, but they see it a couple times a year. they say the most common thing they see is people that don't stay in ketosis and because they are eating a high fat diet they end up with heart/artery/diabetic issues. That is the truth of keto, as shown in countless studies. It is a diet that requires a very controlled balance of food intake to be successful, especially long term.

[JParis]

It's funny...being a diabetic, a low carb diet was something that I knew I needed to do...I needed to remove those carbs that spike your blood sugar...
As I looked into Keto...the diet itself, it just looked wrong to me...FAR, FAR too restrictive on what you could eat and requires a VERY high fat diet content...that alone just seemed wrong to me...

So I modified it.

Yes, I tightly restrict those carbs and watch the net carbs as when calculating those, you are removing the carbs that do not spike your blood sugar...

I eat berries, a salad several days a week, fresh something vegetable, usually steamed, though baked and air fried on occasion...I mostly stick to lean meats...even when I have a burger, it's 93/7 ground beef...I eat some deli meats but always go for the lean, low-sodium options.

I take a daily multi-vitamin...

I do know that from January to April my A1C went from 8.4 to 5.9....my cholesterol was all good, though I tend towards low HDL which I am on a medication to help with...my BP was bordering on low...I expect at this point that when I have my next appointment in October that I will likely migrate off of all diabetes meds and lower or even drop my BP medication....I will likely maintain at least some level of cholesterol medication as my body doesn't make enough HDL...

All that said, the move to a low carb diet has thus far been very good for me...now if I could just drop this last 15 or so pounds I'd be happy...c'mon 170 lbs

EDIT: Another thing I do is I eat 5 times a day...I shoot for 3 meals under 400 calories and 2 snacks under 200 calories each...

[YoDoug]

It's funny...being a diabetic, a low carb diet was something that I knew I needed to do...I needed to remove those carbs that spike your blood sugar...
As I looked into Keto...the diet itself, it just looked wrong to me...FAR, FAR too restrictive on what you could eat and requires a VERY high fat diet content...that alone just seemed wrong to me...

So I modified it.

Yes, I tightly restrict those carbs and watch the net carbs as when calculating those, you are removing the carbs that do not spike your blood sugar...

I eat berries, a salad several days a week, fresh something vegetable, usually steamed, though baked and air fried on occasion...I mostly stick to lean meats...even when I have a burger, it's 93/7 ground beef...I eat some deli meats but always go for the lean, low-sodium options.

I take a daily multi-vitamin...

I do know that from January to April my A1C went from 8.4 to 5.9....my cholesterol was all good, though I tend towards low HDL which I am on a medication to help with...my BP was bordering on low...I expect at this point that when I have my next appointment in October that I will likely migrate off of all diabetes meds and lower or even drop my BP medication....I will likely maintain at least some level of cholesterol medication as my body doesn't make enough HDL...

All that said, the move to a low barb diet has thus far been very good for me...now if I could just drop this last 15 or so pounds I'd be happy...c'mon 170 lbs

I am glad to hear it is working for you. You do seem to be very detailed in tracking your diet. That is a good thing. People get/stay healthy by being active in controlling and managing their diet/lifestyle. It is when we stop tracking and adjusting that we lose ground.

My problem with keto diets and the mainstream media/dialogue around it is that they don't honestly discuss the risks and details needed to be successful on a low carb diet. They just paint this picture that you can eat all the meat and eggs you want and will lose weight and be healthy. That is far from the truth. They also try to portray all carbs as bad. The truth is there is a huge difference between highly refined simple carbs and unrefined complex carbs. The way the body processes those two are completely different. An honest discussion of low carbs diets should include that information.

[thad]

My problem with keto diets and the mainstream media/dialogue around it is that they don't honestly discuss the risks and details needed to be successful on a low carb diet. They just paint this picture that you can eat all the meat and eggs you want and will lose weight and be healthy. That is far from the truth. They also try to portray all carbs as bad. The truth is there is a huge difference between highly refined simple carbs and unrefined complex carbs. The way the body processes those two are completely different. An honest discussion of low carbs diets should include that information.

LOL. The media doesn't honestly discuss low carb. I was on Atkins 20 years ago. I bought the book and read it. I lost 46 lbs. The media says that Atkins says all carbs are bad. Atkins does not say that. The media says that Atkins "typically curtailing or eliminating fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes." Atkins does not say that. That's made up media bullshit. Atkins says put an 8 oz piece of meat on your plate, then fill the rest of the plate with (certain) vegetables.

[DUM1]

dead person in one bed.

talked to a neighbor two days ago whos wife is an RN in eastern Oregon ,
said if you haven't been vaccinated and get the covid they turn you away because the hospital is full of the people that "did their part" .
seems "break through cases" are getting more prevalent.

[Del.]

dead person in one bed.

talked to a neighbor two days ago whos wife is an RN in eastern Oregon ,
said if you haven't been vaccinated and get the covid they turn you away because the hospital is full of the people that "did their part" .
seems "break through cases" are getting more prevalent.

I was told Kentucky has the most cases right now.

[YoDoug]

I was told Kentucky has the most cases right now.

Most cases per total pop, per 1m pop, in ICU?

It seems hard to think it is per total population as Texas and Florida are rising fast in cases and have huge populations compared to Kentucky.

[Zoober]

When I started to look into diet and in general improving my health/life, Keto was one that came up. It was studies like these that changed my mind about keto. My take is; short term keto can be a great way to lose weight and reverse a poor health trajectory. Long term there are increasing risks the longer you eat that way.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.702802/full#h1">https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 02/full#h1">https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.702802/full#h1

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667%2818%2930135-X/fulltext">https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanp ... X/fulltext">https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30135-X/fulltext

The first article lost me at " Extreme carbohydrate restriction can profoundly affect diet quality, typically curtailing or eliminating fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes and increasing consumption of animal products. "
I have actually increased my fruit and veggie intake while still holding carbs to under 30g a day.
Those articles are targeting a hyper ketosis crowd. As with anything, moderation and sensible nutrition is key. I'll wager my diet is lacking less nutrients than 95% of the vegan diets being utilized. I also have a pretty good handle on supplementation and dietary balance.
The sta

First, those aren't articles, they are published studies.

Nutrients are not the issue. The issue is not the exact number of grams of carbs, it is whether or not you stay in ketosis for extended periods. It also has to do with weight and body fat. For people with excess body fat ketosis really helps them start to lose weight and they see all the benefits that most people see when you lose weight. However when they start to get down to lower levels of body fat the issues increase. Ketosis is essentially tricking your body into thinking it is in starvation mode by reducing carbs to the point that there is not enough glucose in the blood for energy. the body then produces ketones which break down fats to convert them into glucose for energy. When someone of low body fat is in ketosis they need to consume enough fat or the ketones will starting breaking down muscle and even worse affecting other vital organs. I have an uncle that went on keto for about 2 years. He was super strict and lost a ton of weight. He looked great and said he felt great, until the ketosis caused pancreatitis. He nearly died and spent 6 months in the hospital. The end result was kidney failure and now he will be on dialysis for the rest of his life. The hospital doctors told him it is not common because most people aren't that good at staying that strict in keto, but they see it a couple times a year. they say the most common thing they see is people that don't stay in ketosis and because they are eating a high fat diet they end up with heart/artery/diabetic issues. That is the truth of keto, as shown in countless studies. It is a diet that requires a very controlled balance of food intake to be successful, especially long term.

Kinda curious, since it was a drastic illness.
Did your uncle monitor his ketone levels and or bloodwork during his time doing Keto?
I mean, we don't want to lump people that blindly go a certain route (like vegans lacking B12, protein, zinc, D3, ad finitem) as opposed to people that intelligently modify their food intake.
You've got to have problems breathing way up on that high horse.

[YoDoug]

Kinda curious, since it was a drastic illness.
Did your uncle monitor his ketone levels and or bloodwork during his time doing Keto?
I mean, we don't want to lump people that blindly go a certain route (like vegans lacking B12, protein, zinc, D3, ad finitem) as opposed to people that intelligently modify their food intake.
You've got to have problems breathing way up on that high horse.

I honestly don't know if my uncle was actively monitoring his ketone levels and bloodwork. That is my biggest problem with keto. If it is not done accurately it can be very dangerous. I have even seen some of the more honest keto proponents say you need to cycle off of keto periodically because you can't be on it indefinitely.

I won't argue about people going vegan and ending up nutrient deficient. It happens a lot. That is why I constantly use the phrase whole foods plant based. Vegans can eat a lot of junk food and still be vegan. However aside from needing to supplement B-12, if you are eating a well rounded whole foods plant based diet you don't need to monitor ketones or regular bloodwork to avoid possible dangerous side effects. With keto you do.

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I'm gonna have to rename this to Vaccine, work and veggetables!
😂