Antifa is a terrorist organization?

[Smit]

This does make sense. To a fascist, the anti fascist would look like a terrorist.

Kinda like one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist? Except more straight forward.

Ya gotta give the Trump administration credit for one thing, at least. They NEVER let a good crisis go to waste. And if they don't have a "good" crisis they'll just make one up!

Trump targets antifa movement as 'terrorist organization'

WASHINGTON, Sept 17 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday signaled new action against left-wing groups following the assassination of right-wing political activist Charlie Kirk, targeting the anti-fascist antifa movement as a "terrorist organization."
Trump said on Truth Social that he was "designating" the movement as a terrorist organization. "I will also be strongly recommending that those funding ANTIFA be thoroughly investigated in accordance with the highest legal standards and practices," Trump wrote.

It was not clear what legal weight Trump's proclamation carried. Antifa is a loosely organized ideological movement without a clear leadership structure or hierarchy, experts said.
A day after Utah prosecutors unveiled formal charges against the suspect in the assassination of Charlie Kirk, no evidence has emerged connecting 22-year-old Tyler Robinson with any outside group. Questions also remain about his precise motives.
Trump and senior officials have repeatedly blamed left-wing groups for creating an atmosphere of hostility towards conservatives before Kirk's assassination.
The White House is preparing an executive order on political violence and hate speech, a Trump administration official said earlier on Wednesday.

U.S. Vice President JD Vance, in an interview with Fox News on Wednesday, repeatedly blamed what he called left-wing political radicalization for the assassination.
He said the White House was working hard to ensure that "funding networks for left-wing violence" are going to be treated like a terrorist organization.
Critics say that Trump is using Kirk's assassination as a pretext to crack down on political opponents.
Trump initially floated the idea of such a designation for antifa in 2020 amid violent nationwide protests following the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.
At the time, legal experts said such a step lacked a basis in law, would be hard to execute, and raised free-speech concerns, given that subscription to an ideology is not generally considered criminal.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for further details on Wednesday.

[neurosis]

Kinda like one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist?

Living in an area where I've seen cops being cemented in to buildings while the building gets set on fire, and local reporters being harassed to the point of being beaten by protesters in masks... I can see why people might call that domestic terrorism? I would say that the timing is suspect, but I remember Trump talking about doing this in the past.

I don't really know shit about "Antifa" as a group, or even if it is some kind of organized group? I wonder if the plan is to classify anyone who is involved in leftist protests that turn violent, as Antifa? 

[ghuns]

...I don't really know shit about "Antifa" as a group, or even if it is some kind of organized group?...

In Seattle in 2020, the 'not a group, group' held a vote to change the name of their CHAZ to CHOP.

I mean, getting together and holding a vote is a pretty group-like behavior.

On June 13, demonstrators decided that a name change was needed to better reflect the true purpose of the protest zone. Using consensus voting, the area was renamed as the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest, or "CHOP." Later, in an effort to de-emphasize occupation (noting that Seattle itself is an occupation of Native land), it was changed to Capitol Hill Organized Protest. A number of media outlets reported on this new acronym, thus helping to cement its popular use.

[Smit]

Living in an area where I've seen cops being cemented in to buildings while the building gets set on fire, and local reporters being harassed to the point of being beaten by protesters in masks... I can see why people might call that domestic terrorism?

Oh, I think domestic terrorism is a real thing. But even in the event(s) you describe there are people thinking they were fighting for freedom? Or fighting for something anyway.

Was J6 domestic terrorism? Just a "protest" gone wrong? Domestic terrorism?

It damn sure wasn't freedom fighting but hard core Trumpers will still try to say it is.

I don't really know shit about "Antifa" as a group, or even if it is some kind of organized group? I wonder if the plan is to classify anyone who is involved in leftist protests that turn violent, as Antifa? 

It's not an organized group. It's an excuse to target anything they want and call it "antifa."

[neurosis]

I mean, getting together and holding a vote is a pretty group-like behavior.

Did a group called "Antifa" take credit for Chaz/Chop?

My concern, is that any group that organizes a protest (and there are several that do in Seattle), and violent thugs who may not even be from the area show up and start breaking shit, the group that organized the protest will be labeled as "Antifa".

[Smit]

My concern, is that any group that organizes a protest (and there are several that do in Seattle), and violent thugs who may not even be from the area show up and start breaking shit, the group that organized the protest will be labeled as "Antifa".

That is certainly the intent. Is that not very clear?!

[mowens]

Almost all terrorists think they are freedom fighters.

[beej]

This does make sense. To a fascist, the anti fascist would look like a terrorist.

Kinda like one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist? Except more straight forward.

Ya gotta give the Trump administration credit for one thing, at least. They NEVER let a good crisis go to waste. And if they don't have a "good" crisis they'll just make one up!

Trump targets antifa movement as 'terrorist organization'

unbelievable, smit.  A good man was just killed for being labeled fascist, by a man who claimed to be anti-fascist. And you come here and try to support them? All they want is Freedom, eh? Freedom from what? the consitution? freedom from debate? freedom from Christianity? freedom from diversity of thought?

[beej]

give me the crazy emoji if you want. you tell me, mr antifascist. why is Charlie Kirk dead?

[Smit]

Gawddamn Beej! You've just destroyed the "Beej is the "rational Republican" on this forum" thing you had going for you. 

[beej]

Gawddamn Beej! You've just destroyed the "Beej is the "rational Republican" on this forum!" 

this entire thread is irrational. I understand a lot of your positions even if I disagree with some of them. but a good man was just labeled as a fascist. he wasn't a fascist. he was just labeled as one by people who claim to be anti-fascist. I have similar beliefs as Charlie. That could have been me that was shot. so yeah....

[gcode]

why is Charlie Kirk dead?

he spoke uncomfortable truths that mentally ill wackjobs could not accept.

[Smit]

It's not irrational. You just don't seem to want to understand.

Have a cup of coffee and chill.

I take it back though, you're still the rational Republican on this forum.

[beej]

Even as I speak, the local sheriff is attending daily Catholic Mass in our local town. he's there, not so much to worship, as to protect them, after the catholic school shooting in Minnesota. Because our local church is so close to a divided highway and has an elementary school it is an easy target.

2 weeks later a man is killed for his beliefs that are not so different from my own. Those beliefs include debate without insult.  these so called "freedom fighters" called Charlie Kirk a fascist. In their eyes, maybe I am too.

[mowens]

What exactly is your objection to them being labeled terrorists? I know nothing about them other than the videos I've seen of them doing violence.