Pete Hegseth Tells Top Generals ‘Prepare For War’

[TylerBeer]

Fair enough, I wish we could just debate policy.

I'll say his policy seems like it's going to cost money. Specifically adding time for additional PT to say.. airmen

[neurosis]

Specifically adding time for additional PT to say.. airmen

Don't airmen already have height/weight restrictions?

[pmartin]

I'll say his policy seems like it's going to cost money. Specifically adding time for additional PT to say.. airmen

Not to mention the cost of flying all those top brass to and from wherever in the world that they were stationed for a stupid photo op. Few if any of them will complain publicly, Esprit De Corps and all.  BTW I was in the US army, 76-79

[jstell]

Not to mention the cost of flying all those top brass to and from wherever in the world that they were stationed for a stupid photo op. Few if any of them will complain publicly, Esprit De Corps and all.  BTW I was in the US army, 76-79

There are plenty of reports of military officials, current and retired, telling interviewers it was a waste of time.  One headline quote "could have been an email."  And a couple pointed out the strategic foolishness of having that much density of chain-of-command in one place, publicly announced beforehand.

[Brian]

And a couple pointed out the strategic foolishness of having that much density of chain-of-command in one place, publicly announced beforehand.

^^^THIS^^^

And I wonder if these guys know not to use those Israeli pagers, too?

Man, the world sure is weird these days!

[Del.]

Fair enough, I wish we could just debate policy.

Beej, Those days are over. How could we possibly debate Smit, Nuro, Tyler, Bucky and others when I am against everything they believe in and vice versa. Even Charlie Kirk was wrong to think we can have respectful debate. How do I debate someone who seems fine with wokeism, DEI, Multiple genders, millions of illegals etc. it's not going to happen. I don't even want it to anymore.

[Smit]

Fair enough, I wish we could just debate policy.

Beej, those days are over.

I believe in freedom of speech, in not attacking media for reporting news the President doesn't like, in treating people with dignity, in the separation of powers, in making it easy for qualified voters to vote, in not gerrymandering districts so peoples votes actually matter, to having ethics in politics and everywhere else, in supporting our allies, free trade, in not having jack booted thugs in masks brutalizing people, in not deploying military against Americans, in having qualified, experienced people filling positions of power, in not using our justice system to pursue political "enemies", in not attacking private business and schools for political profit, vaccines and science, etc etc. The list can go on all day.

How can I debate those things with people who are absolutely, mindlessly, against those things?

Hell, we can't even agree on what a word means...say...fascism. The dictionary definition doesn't work because it means things people don't want it to mean so we have to come to agreement on another definition?

Crazy, eh?

[Del.]

I'm just keeping it in The Real World!!!!

[Brian]

Beej, Those days are over. How could we possibly debate Smit, Nuro, Tyler, Bucky and others when I am against everything they believe in and vice versa. Even Charlie Kirk was wrong to think we can have respectful debate.

I understand why people feel this way, but I believe it is possible to debate ideas. What most folks seem to miss in my opinion is that there is a difference between debating ideas and attacking or criticizing other people-most folks either miss this important distinction, or lack the self-control required to do this in a civil manner.

Somehow we've allowed ourselves to think that our beliefs/philosophies and our identities are one and the same, and as a result we find ourselves locked in these fight-to-the-death "debates" because we feel that we are being attacked. Sadly, even if someone else has what might be a "better idea" we can't adopt it because it wasn't "ours." Self-defeating behavior IMHO!

I think the forum provides plenty examples of this, unfortunately.... lots of name calling, disrespectful behavior, etc. I don't see much of what I'd consider honest inquiry, and I don't sense much productive output, either. All of the machines are running, but all we're shipping is scrap!

TL: DR-respectful debate of ideas="good", Ad hominem attacks="bad"

[beej]

I believe in freedom of speech, in not attacking media for reporting news the President doesn't like, in treating people with dignity, in the separation of powers, in making it easy for qualified voters to vote, in not gerrymandering districts so peoples votes actually matter, to having ethics in politics and everywhere else, in supporting our allies, free trade, in not having jack booted thugs in masks brutalizing people, in not deploying military against Americans, in having qualified, experienced people filling positions of power, in not using our justice system to pursue political "enemies", in not attacking private business and schools for political profit, vaccines and science, etc etc. The list can go on all day.

I agree with every single statement you made in that paragraph. so why are we so far apart in who we vote for? If I had to answer my own question, I think that we only disagree in how to accomplish those things. But if we want to have a starting point, I think that we'd each have to see that although you are obviously pointing out things that you don't like that Trump is doing, and I could honestly admit that I don't either, a republican could make the case that democrats have done every single one of things as well, when they had the chance. In fact it would not have surprised me to find some of the hard right people on this forum type the same statement.

But if we want the same things. If we hold, in common, the same principles, we should be able to come to some agreement.

[Del.]

Good luck! I'm pulling for you all.

[Smit]

I agree with every single statement you made in that paragraph. so why are we so far apart in who we vote for?

The only thing I can come up with is people don't really agree with all those things. I mean, it would be nice and all, in an intellectual kind of way, but if it doesn't happen it's no big deal.

Look at Missouri...I'm sure you've noticed the voters there have repeatedly voted for amendments to the state constitution and their elected officials repeatedly try to repeal them. Of course then their elected officials try to take away their right to hold those elections. Pretty democratic, right?

So why do they keep voting for people who don't represent them? 

But they do.... over and over again.

[CNCAppsJames]

Yep. I live in San Diego dumbass.

If you are basing your opinion on what they have told you regarding readiness for this or that, and I m basing my opinion on what three of my currently serving Eagle Scouts... that I've known for 10+ years, then your people and my people have very different opinions. Two of my Eagle Scouts serve in Special Operations and one serves in logistics. Three branches are represented by them. 

NONE of them share your opinion. 

[Bucky Cornstarch]

If you are basing your opinion on what they have told you regarding readiness for this or that, and I m basing my opinion on what three of my currently serving Eagle Scouts... that I've known for 10+ years, then your people and my people have very different opinions. Two of my Eagle Scouts serve in Special Operations and one serves in logistics. Three branches are represented by them.

NONE of them share your opinion.

Once again, thank you for your service. Scouting would not be where it is today without your contributions. 🙏

[CNCAppsJames]

LOL. You don't know much.  I bet it's like a 15% marriage success rate with career military personnel.

Last stat I read was 20% success rate for combat vets.

 

The GWOT REALLY jacked up a lot of families.

Interesting factoid... or maybe not depending on how you think. 

We WON EVERY war we fought when "the deployment" was "until the war was won", you dies or were severely injured. 
We have LOST EVERY war we have fought since "the deployment" was X/XX number of months.