Covid Vaccine

[Jim at Gentex]

Yeah, he should be "ignored"

C'mon Jim, you are smarter than that....he "suggested"  based on what, hearsay....

The collected real data thus far does not support his unsubstantiated suggestion in any way...

Here is some 'collected real data' for you in a peer reviewed paper.
https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf">https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-r ... e-1503.pdf">https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

My point is that not every doctor who is concerned about the long-term effects of these mRNA vaccines is a crackpot.
Whether they are talking about anecdotal evidence, or genuine research, I will keep questioning the narrative.

[JParis]

You must pat them on the back and tell they they did great by surviving

This is pretty much what the ER nurse who gave me my 2nd vaccine said to me

Her exact words were "Congratulations Sir, you made it."

Keep in mind, this woman had spent the last 6 months working double shifts in a hospital
in Riverside, where they were stacking bodies in the halls because the reefer trucks in the parking lots were full.

Nevermind my 40'something year old, otherwise healthy, friend who spent 3 weeks in ICU intubated much of the time, and was almost lost a couple times, then spent another month just trying to recover, of my other friend that wound up in ICU and down for almost 8 weeks....

Those in the truck, I guess they were just the .03 suckers that didn't make it...

[CNCAppsJames]

Get vaccinated against a virus with a 99.97 survival rate and the vaccines increases your risk of ALS. No thanks!

https://www.hennessysview.com/images/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf">https://www.hennessysview.com/images/co ... e-1503.pdf">https://www.hennessysview.com/images/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

Great tagline...

What do you say to the people who survived but spent weeks in ICU and months recovering?

You must pat them on the back and tell they they did great by surviving

My best friend is the the "months recovering" camp. Got it in July, spent a few weeks REALLY sick - never went to the ER though, then, the next few months recovering. He said he really didn't feel 100% until late September.

He also said (anecdotal of course), had the vaccine been available before he got it, he still would not take the vaccine. He is in the low risk category. He's in VERY good shape. Strong AF. Lower than average body fat. No co-morbidities, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Do what's best for you and your situation. Don't berate others for what they believe is best for them and their situation. And DO NOT advocate for mandatory vax. What's that saying the pro-abortion camp like to use?? Oh yeah, "my body, my choice".

[gcode]

My point is that not every doctor who is concerned about the long-term effects of these mRNA vaccines is a crackpot.

Long term is a relative concept.

My mother in law is 92, in poor health and currently locked down in a isolation ward in skilled nursing facility being treated for a broken leg

My wife and I are 67. We are both healthy, though she has asthma which has been under control for decades
He doctor told her in no uncertain terms that CV-19 would kill her if she got it.

Our concept of long term is completely different than someone in their 20, 30's or 40's.

When skilled professionals who have been in the trenches with CV-19 since the beginning tell me to
get the vaccine, I take them seriously.

[Here's Johnny!]

I am reviewing my decision each week on whether to get vaccinated or not, I am currently not eligible yet. It is a personal decision that each of us must live with, if I choose to not get vaccinated I must live with the consequences of that. If I willing choose to get vaccinated I must live with what ever the side effects that may occur. Being un-vaccinated is not a threat to those already vaccinated, it is the opposite as those vaccinated can carry and pass it on.

MOST not all Covid patients get mild to almost no symptoms according to statistics. The ones that get severe illness are the ones that scare the crap out of you. Locally a healthy 13 year old girl died on the weekend from Covid.

[JParis]

When skilled professionals who have been in the trenches with CV-19 since the beginning tell me to
get the vaccine, I take them seriously.

Yup....long term is a relative notion...

BUt after seeing that with friends, I decided for myself based on what I had seen....we have also had family members who had symptoms that were basically a mild cold.....those 2 though, made me see that possible reality of it...

With a disabled spouse, I can neither physically or financially afford to go that path if I can avoid it.

[YoDoug]

Get vaccinated against a virus with a 99.97 survival rate and the vaccines increases your risk of ALS. No thanks!

https://www.hennessysview.com/images/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf">https://www.hennessysview.com/images/co ... e-1503.pdf">https://www.hennessysview.com/images/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

Great tagline...

What do you say to the people who survived but spent weeks in ICU and months recovering?

You must pat them on the back and tell they they did great by surviving

I'm not against the vaccine for those that are in at risk categories. What I am against is .Gov being allowed to push (by force if they can get away with it) a vaccine for the entire public. It won't end with Covid-19. As long as big pharma can buy off politicians there will always be a new threat and new vaccine from this point forward.

It is pretty easy to identify who could be at risk for Covid complications. In MN there is pretty solid data. Those that are older may be at risk. Those that are obese/overweight, Heart disease, Diabetes, CAD, Other lung or respiratory issues. By all means consult with your doctor and decide if the vaccine is the right choice.

Covid-19 is not taking out healthy people. There are a few isolated cases, but in large healthy people are not hurt. All of the underlying conditions that make Covid dangerous are chronic illnesses that are almost always results of diet and lifestyle. Maybe people should start being concerned for their health, seek help for their food addictions, and start eating/living healthy. Rather than letting profit driven big pharma come to the rescue with barely tested, rushed approval vaccines.

[pmartin]

In the category of long term just imagine the long term financial consequences of getting a bad case of corona. Even with good insurance the out of pocket could be staggering, and what if you suffer irreversible lung or heart damage.

I suppose that you could console yourself in the knowledge that you didn't fall for taking that vaccine.

[YoDoug]

In the category of long term just imagine the long term financial consequences of getting a bad case of corona. Even with good insurance the out of pocket could be staggering, and what if you suffer irreversible lung or heart damage.

I suppose that you could console yourself in the knowledge that you didn't fall for taking that vaccine.

What are the long term consequences and costs of getting heart disease, type 2 diabetes, CAD, etc? Most people don't seem all to worried about living a painful and reduced life for a decade or so until they finally die from one of those. How about cancer? There are actually dozens of foods, food additives, and chemicals that are illegal in the EU because they are known cancer causing agents, yet they are still legal in the US and largely consumed. Five times more people die every year from chronic illness that is largely avoidable, than died from Covid-19 in the past year.

Again, in MN the data doesn't support the fear mongering. 5% of the confirmed cases were hospitalized. Of those hospitalized, 25% were ICU, 1% of the total confirmed cases. For those under 60 the hospitalization and death rate is fractions of a percent. I keep hearing people that anecdotally say because they know someone that had trouble with it, we should all be scared. However, that's not what the actual data shows.

[HTM01]

I suppose that you could console yourself in the knowledge that you didn't fall for taking that vaccine.

and the free 5G that's embedded in the chip they put in

[gcode]

CV-19 hit my shop hard
120 employees, 40 to 50 got sick
a half dozen got really sick but thankfully, there were no deaths
one guy, previously healthy, in his mid 50's was out 5 months and just returned to work
He only has 40% lung capacity now and I suspect he will be filing for permanent disability before too long.

[JParis]

CV-19 hit my shop hard
120 employees, 40 to 50 got sick
a half dozen got really sick but thankfully, there were no deaths
one guy, previously healthy, in his mid 50's was out 5 months and just returned to work
He only has 40% lung capacity now and I suspect he will be filing for permanent disability before too long.

We have had a bunch here as well....the company has been good about keeping people informed and taking the necessary steps to clean areas when it's happened...

We now do testing in house if there's been a case and the internal contact tracing shows a possible contact...it has hit almost every area, from administration, assembly, QC, both shops, deburring...we've not lost anyone but several have been down for many weeks...one girl, young, late 20's, out nearly 3 months....

Because of the work we do, we have not been closed for a single day...I had one WFH day but that was because of a snow storm

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

You must pat them on the back and tell they they did great by surviving

This is pretty much what the ER nurse who gave me my 2nd vaccine said to me

Her exact words were "Congratulations Sir, you made it."

Keep in mind, this woman had spent the last 6 months working double shifts in a hospital
in Riverside, where they were stacking bodies in the halls because the reefer trucks in the parking lots were full.

Nevermind my 40'something year old, otherwise healthy, friend who spent 3 weeks in ICU intubated much of the time, and was almost lost a couple times, then spent another month just trying to recover, of my other friend that wound up in ICU and down for almost 8 weeks....

Those in the truck, I guess they were just the .03 suckers that didn't make it...

Well,... that 99.97% survival rate is simply nonsense. No data supports that.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

I think I had COVID early on (DEC 2019). Or maybe not. There's a possibility I had it, and I got the vaccine. Not wanting ANY PART of being short of breath again. I'll try my best to avoid that feeling again. Freaking terrifying!

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

CV-19 hit my shop hard
120 employees, 40 to 50 got sick
a half dozen got really sick but thankfully, there were no deaths
one guy, previously healthy, in his mid 50's was out 5 months and just returned to work
He only has 40% lung capacity now and I suspect he will be filing for permanent disability before too long.

We have had a bunch here as well....the company has been good about keeping people informed and taking the necessary steps to clean areas when it's happened...

We now do testing in house if there's been a case and the internal contact tracing shows a possible contact...it has hit almost every area, from administration, assembly, QC, both shops, deburring...we've not lost anyone but several have been down for many weeks...one girl, young, late 20's, out nearly 3 months....

Because of the work we do, we have not been closed for a single day...I had one WFH day but that was because of a snow storm

We had one guy get really sick, spent 5 days in hospital. Mid 40's but very overweight (5'11" 350ish lbs), plus type 2 diabetes, hypertension.. Still having some issues breathing (I think, maybe I'll ask him soon).

HOWEVER,... I haven't heard of anyone else even contracting COVID. So, we are the opposite of JP and gcode examples. And, we never enforced mask wearing. Some wear them, most do not.