Covid Vaccine

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

In the category of long term just imagine the long term financial consequences of getting a bad case of corona. Even with good insurance the out of pocket could be staggering, and what if you suffer irreversible lung or heart damage.

I suppose that you could console yourself in the knowledge that you didn't fall for taking that vaccine.

What are the long term consequences and costs of getting heart disease, type 2 diabetes, CAD, etc? Most people don't seem all to worried about living a painful and reduced life for a decade or so until they finally die from one of those. How about cancer? There are actually dozens of foods, food additives, and chemicals that are illegal in the EU because they are known cancer causing agents, yet they are still legal in the US and largely consumed. Five times more people die every year from chronic illness that is largely avoidable, than died from Covid-19 in the past year.

Again, in MN the data doesn't support the fear mongering. 5% of the confirmed cases were hospitalized. Of those hospitalized, 25% were ICU, 1% of the total confirmed cases. For those under 60 the hospitalization and death rate is fractions of a percent. I keep hearing people that anecdotally say because they know someone that had trouble with it, we should all be scared. However, that's not what the actual data shows.

Respect your opinion always, Doug, but that is a straw man's argument.

[Here's Johnny!]

Covid death rates by country. I have Canada, USA, UK, Spain, Israel and New Zealand on this but you can change it.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-ri ... SP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL

[YoDoug]

In the category of long term just imagine the long term financial consequences of getting a bad case of corona. Even with good insurance the out of pocket could be staggering, and what if you suffer irreversible lung or heart damage.

I suppose that you could console yourself in the knowledge that you didn't fall for taking that vaccine.

What are the long term consequences and costs of getting heart disease, type 2 diabetes, CAD, etc? Most people don't seem all to worried about living a painful and reduced life for a decade or so until they finally die from one of those. How about cancer? There are actually dozens of foods, food additives, and chemicals that are illegal in the EU because they are known cancer causing agents, yet they are still legal in the US and largely consumed. Five times more people die every year from chronic illness that is largely avoidable, than died from Covid-19 in the past year.

Again, in MN the data doesn't support the fear mongering. 5% of the confirmed cases were hospitalized. Of those hospitalized, 25% were ICU, 1% of the total confirmed cases. For those under 60 the hospitalization and death rate is fractions of a percent. I keep hearing people that anecdotally say because they know someone that had trouble with it, we should all be scared. However, that's not what the actual data shows.

Respect your opinion always, Doug, but that is a straw man's argument.

What is straw man argument about the data in MN. The data shows for 99%+ people there is little risk of serious illness from Covid-19.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

Covid death rates by country. I have Canada, USA, UK, Spain, Israel and New Zealand on this but you can change it.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-ri ... SP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL

India is getting bad. Cases and deaths surging. One thing in their advantage is a young demographic. But again, they are experiencing a strong surge right now.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

What are the long term consequences and costs of getting heart disease, type 2 diabetes, CAD, etc? Most people don't seem all to worried about living a painful and reduced life for a decade or so until they finally die from one of those. How about cancer? There are actually dozens of foods, food additives, and chemicals that are illegal in the EU because they are known cancer causing agents, yet they are still legal in the US and largely consumed. Five times more people die every year from chronic illness that is largely avoidable, than died from Covid-19 in the past year.

Again, in MN the data doesn't support the fear mongering. 5% of the confirmed cases were hospitalized. Of those hospitalized, 25% were ICU, 1% of the total confirmed cases. For those under 60 the hospitalization and death rate is fractions of a percent. I keep hearing people that anecdotally say because they know someone that had trouble with it, we should all be scared. However, that's not what the actual data shows.

Respect your opinion always, Doug, but that is a straw man's argument.

What is straw man argument about the data in MN. The data shows for 99%+ people there is little risk of serious illness from Covid-19.

Not that part, Doug. I italicized above that paragraph..

[Here's Johnny!]

Covid death rates by country. I have Canada, USA, UK, Spain, Israel and New Zealand on this but you can change it.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-ri ... SP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL

India is getting bad. Cases and deaths surging. One thing in their advantage is a young demographic. But again, they are experiencing a strong surge right now.

Yes and no. 3000 deaths vs 340000 cases is less than 1%?

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

Covid death rates by country. I have Canada, USA, UK, Spain, Israel and New Zealand on this but you can change it.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-ri ... SP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL

India is getting bad. Cases and deaths surging. One thing in their advantage is a young demographic. But again, they are experiencing a strong surge right now.

Yes and no. 3000 deaths vs 340000 cases is less than 1%?

Death rates lower in India compared to most countries. They have a higher % of young people.

[Here's Johnny!]

India is getting bad. Cases and deaths surging. One thing in their advantage is a young demographic. But again, they are experiencing a strong surge right now.

Yes and no. 3000 deaths vs 340000 cases is less than 1%?

Death rates lower in India compared to most countries. They have a higher % of young people.

The images of people begging for medical help are tough to watch.

[CNCAppsJames]

Covid death rates by country. I have Canada, USA, UK, Spain, Israel and New Zealand on this but you can change it.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-ri ... SP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL

India is getting bad. Cases and deaths surging. One thing in their advantage is a young demographic. But again, they are experiencing a strong surge right now.

When there 1.3 BILLION people in a crowded and unsanitary 3rd World Country, anyone think a virulent disease won't run it's course regardless of what us puny humans do?

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

Covid death rates by country. I have Canada, USA, UK, Spain, Israel and New Zealand on this but you can change it.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-ri ... SP~ISR~NZL">https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=CAN~USA~GBR~ESP~ISR~NZL

India is getting bad. Cases and deaths surging. One thing in their advantage is a young demographic. But again, they are experiencing a strong surge right now.

When there 1.3 BILLION people in a crowded and unsanitary 3rd World Country, anyone think a virulent disease won't run it's course regardless of what us puny humans do?

Bangladesh even more crowded (pop. density). 166 million in a country about the size of Ohio. 'Only' 11,000 deaths recorded. (we can take a lot of countries' data with a grain of salt, though)

[YoDoug]

India is getting bad. Cases and deaths surging. One thing in their advantage is a young demographic. But again, they are experiencing a strong surge right now.

Yes and no. 3000 deaths vs 340000 cases is less than 1%?

Death rates lower in India compared to most countries. They have a higher % of young people.

India also has very low instances of the typical chronic illnesses that make Covid-19 more serious compared to western countries.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

Yes and no. 3000 deaths vs 340000 cases is less than 1%?

Death rates lower in India compared to most countries. They have a higher % of young people.

India also has very low instances of the typical chronic illnesses that make Covid-19 more serious compared to western countries.

True. Again, it goes back to India having a very young population. Young people don't have chronic illnesses.

[Matthew Hajicek]

Being un-vaccinated is not a threat to those already vaccinated, it is the opposite as those vaccinated can carry and pass it on.

If the vaccine is 90% effective, they're still a threat to that 10% vaccinated but susceptible.  Going back to that old bulletproof vest analogy, when you get vaccinated you're now wearing ballistic armor over your whole body, but your face (10%) is still exposed.  Do you want to get shot at?

[Here's Johnny!]

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Being un-vaccinated is not a threat to those already vaccinated, it is the opposite as those vaccinated can carry and pass it on.

If the vaccine is 90% effective, they're still a threat to that 10% vaccinated but susceptible.  Going back to that old bulletproof vest analogy, when you get vaccinated you're now wearing ballistic armor over your whole body, but your face (10%) is still exposed.  Do you want to get shot at?
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They are touting the vaccines as 100% effective at preventing serious illness.

[CNCAppsJames]

... 'Only' 11,000 deaths recorded. (we can take a lot of countries' data with a grain of salt, though)

Honestly, we can take our own country's data with a grain of salt as well unfortunately.  Can't trust a damn thing our government says. There's almost always some P.O.S. bureaucrat or politician behind nearly all of it.

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