Government Shutdown

[beej]

Make a poll on the forum asking how many people here have had sex out of wedlock. Or when they were too young to raise children.

Something tells me that you're about to get a LOT sadder. 

I am already well aware. We expect people not to steal even if they want something they can't afford. And if they do steal, there is consequences for those actions. when you are having sex with a person, you don't care enough to marry, you are stealing from that person. plain and simple. If we can discipline ourselves not to steal, we should be able to discipline ourselves not to have sex.  Carnal desires can be and should be controlled and disciplined. If for no other reason, than to prevent harm to another human being, in this case, the creation and destruction of a human being.

[neurosis]

yes. and one of the best ways for us to do that is to make sure that people who should not be abusing that support are not syphoning money from those who need it. do we agree on that at all?

I do agree with that. If someone is caught gaming the system, their benefits should be taken away, as long as it doesn't come at the detriment of children. They don't have a choice in that matter. 

[MIL-TFP-41]

Who is forcing anyone to have sex?  Last I checked, that's how children were made.

Interestingly enough, people without money are more likely to have sex. Typically, that class of people are more interested in short term gratification rather than long term goals. Flat as broke, can't go out an have and fun....but they can always fuck.

[neurosis]

Carnal desires can be and should be controlled and disciplined.

Isn't it something like 95% of adults in the US have had sex out of wedlock? I think it's close to 75% by the age of 20.

There is a lot of work to do!

[beej]

I do agree with that. If someone is caught gaming the system, their benefits should be taken away, as long as it doesn't come at the detriment of children. They don't have a choice in that matter.

my sister in law, right not is living with a man who it the principal of a highschool in Illinois. on the books it looks like she is single and has 4 kids. 2 of which just got into college. She is on medicare and gets food stamps. She hasn't married the man she's been with for 15 years, because if she gets married to him, she would not get the free insurance.

Her husband is the son of a retired school superintendent and college professor, who has set up his children very nicely. They have a 500 hundred acre farm. Vacataion houses in 2 states that they rent out as air-bnb when they are not using them, and they buy and flip homes.

Her kids would eat just fine, if she wasn't gaming the system. She is the type of person who should be kicked off, but if you are looking at her stats on a stat sheet, it just looks like a dire situation as far as medicaid would report it.

[MIL-TFP-41]

Carnal desires can be and should be controlled and disciplined.

Come on, if it were that simple the "just say no" movement would of eliminated drugs back in the 80's.

[beej]

Come on, if it were that simple the "just say no" movement would of eliminated drugs back in the 80's.

I never said it was easy, I said it can be done and should be done. Drugs are essentially the same problem a lack of controlling one's carnal desires.

Here is what true freedom looks like:
true freedom isn't the absence of constraints, but the ability to control desires to align with objective good, making the attainment of what is truly valuable possible and eventually effortless.

[neurosis]

She is on medicare and gets food stamps. She hasn't married the man she's been with for 15 years, because if she gets married to him, she would not get the free insurance.

Not to doubt you; this comes right from the Illinois snap benefit eligibility website.

We have the same restirctions in Washington State.

"If the person you live with earns enough to disqualify the combined household from SNAP based on income limits, then neither you nor the other person would usually qualify, even if you are not financially connected (for example, not legally married). The only exceptions are if you clearly buy and prepare food separately, in which case you might be considered separate households, but proving this to the Illinois Department of Human Services can be challenging and is rarely approved unless there is a very clear separation"

So this person could be, and should be, turned in?  Right?

[beej]

Not to doubt you; this comes right from the Illinois snap benefit eligibility website.

We have the same restirctions in Washington State.

"If the person you live with earns enough to disqualify the combined household from SNAP based on income limits, then neither you nor the other person would usually qualify, even if you are not financially connected (for example, not legally married). The only exceptions are if you clearly buy and prepare food separately, in which case you might be considered separate households, but proving this to the Illinois Department of Human Services can be challenging and is rarely approved unless there is a very clear separation"

So this person could be, and should be, turned in?  Right?

They own multiple houses that helps them get around those restrictions. He claims to live at an unlivable residence on the 500 acre farm, while actually living in their home in town. I keep thinking this "house of cards" is going to fall in around them at some point, but so far they are still going with it.

[Elmer Fudd]

Why havent you turned them in?

[beej]

Why havent you turned them in?

It is tempting to do so, the only reason that I haven't is because of what that would do to my MIL and FIL who live beside me in Missouri. They are both good people, that I love dearly. They have tried to tell them to get married and quit this charade, but then it causes arguments and keeps them from seeing their grandchildren.

[SuperHoneyBadger]

Carnal desires can be and should be controlled and disciplined. If for no other reason, than to prevent harm to another human being, in this case, the creation and destruction of a human being.

Or you know, use a condom.

[beej]

Or you know, use a condom.

that is kind of a "mastercam workaround" for a bug that needs fixed but sure. 

[neurosis]

Or you know, use a condom.

Stick to the big A!

[SuperHoneyBadger]

Stick to the big A!

I mean, if she'll let me stick it to the big A, I'm game. Only a fool turns that one down.