How do you justify the grift?

[neurosis]

the problem is in how you frame the question.

The last time he was in office, you could make a case for TDS.  At this point, the TDS has played itself out and it's becoming clear that he's just a petty, narcistic, bitter old man child. I'd like to know if anyone here would want to raise their kids to act the way that he does.

I assume that there is a reason you didn't vote for him this last time. I won't ask why that is.   

[beej]

The last time he was in office, you could make a case for TDS.  At this point, the TDS has played itself out and it's becoming clear that he's just a petty, narcistic, bitter old man child. I'd like to know if anyone here would want to raise their kids to act the way that he does.

I assume that there is a reason you didn't vote for him this last time. I won't ask why that is.   

It was out of respect for my father-in-law who votes Democrat. I love him to death. But if he votes for someone that I don't like, I just tend to think that everyone gets a vote and we just disagree. If his guy wins, so be it. But for him, if I vote for a republican it causes him such...I don't even know the word for it, (I hate to use derangement, but it's awful close to that) That I just chose not to vote for Trump because then I can honestly tell him I didn't vote for him and eases the stress on our relationship while taking care of him in old age.

[neurosis]

That I just chose not to vote for Trump because then I can honestly tell him I didn't vote for him and eases the stress on our relationship while taking care of him in old age.

You're a better man than I am.

I mean, I wouldn't vote for Trump either.    But if I thought he were worth voting for, under those circumstances, I would have voted for him anyway.

Now for the other question - would you raise your children (or grandchildren) to act the way that Trump does? 

[CNCAppsJames]

lol. Is there anything that the orange man could do that would make you think the orange man is bad? 

Only on days that end with "y".

In the media, he's crass, he's rude, he's mean on occasion, and all sorts of other undesirable things. All that said, for the most part he seems to be unraveling things I've wanted unraveled for decades. He's berating the unelected bureaucrats that make life miserable for millions of US citizens. Those things he is doing, in my own personal opinion are with the terribly unsavory things he cannot seem to stop doing.

You know me, I want the entire bureaucratic morass blown up... figuratively of course. If I have to suffer through mean tweets and press conferences, watch our allies eat a few turd sandwiches (which they FULLY deserve in many respects), well... that's what I've got to tolerate. I know I'll never have my perfect, can do no wrong candidate. Such a person doe not exist. All that said, we have the government we deserve. And we deserve it good and hard.

[CNCAppsJames]

...

Now for the other question - would you raise your children (or grandchildren) to act the way that Trump does? 

We have countless hours of footage of college students behaving in a similar manner yet their behavior is not treated with the same derision that Trump's awful behavior is. 

I still contend if the left didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

 

[beej]

You're a better man than I am.

I mean, I wouldn't vote for Trump either.    But if I thought he were worth voting for, under those circumstances, I would have voted for him anyway.

Now for the other question - would you raise your children (or grandchildren) to act the way that Trump does? 

not for the most part. If I were going to point to someone that I wish they would emulate, it would be a combination of the joy of Ronald Reagan, the piety of John Paul II, the charity of Mother Teresa, the civility of William F Buckley, and the courage of Maximilian Kolbe and the humility of Augustus Tolton. I do like Trump's resilience and dogged determination, but those are a lot further down a list of virtues than the others that I named.

I would never have said to my kids, go be like Tiger woods. But I sure would tell them to try and copy his swing when you play golf. I don't know if that makes sense to you but the whole point I'm trying to get across. don't frame everything in the terms of good and bad. Tiger might be bad at life and good at golf.  there are things to admire and things not admire about any person in particular.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

Only on days that end with "y".

In the media, he's crass, he's rude, he's mean on occasion, and all sorts of other undesirable things. All that said, for the most part he seems to be unraveling things I've wanted unraveled for decades. He's berating the unelected bureaucrats that make life miserable for millions of US citizens. Those things he is doing, in my own personal opinion are with the terribly unsavory things he cannot seem to stop doing.

You know me, I want the entire bureaucratic morass blown up... figuratively of course. If I have to suffer through mean tweets and press conferences, watch our allies eat a few turd sandwiches (which they FULLY deserve in many respects), well... that's what I've got to tolerate. I know I'll never have my perfect, can do no wrong candidate. Such a person doe not exist. All that said, we have the government we deserve. And we deserve it good and hard.

Yo Nutboy, remember when Obama was pres and all of the (non) racists claimed they disliked him for his policy decisions, not his skin color?

The same applies here. The only ones bringing up Trump's "mean tweets" are the ones who have their heads so far up his ass that they can't possibly see why some might disagree with him.

The rest uf us, in the rational, fact filled world, don't pay attention or give a shit about his tweets, but do take issue with the shitshow he has created of the White House and this country.

[neurosis]

We have countless hours of footage of college students behaving in a similar manner

I didn't ask how you felt about how other people's children act.

Framing it differently, would you want Trump as the moral role model for your young children or grandchildren?

[mowens]

We have countless hours of footage of college students behaving in a similar manner yet their behavior is not treated with the same derision that Trump's awful behavior is.

College Student are by and large still young and immature. Hopefully, somewhere between college and 80 years old, they will grow up.

Trump is 79 years old. Fingers crossed.

[TylerBeer]

It's almost like we shouldn't elect a shitty behaving college student to the highest public office

[neurosis]

Inflation report came in at 2.7% lowest level since 2021.

It's hard to have inflation if you don't have any data? 

[Rstewart]

Now for the other question - would you raise your children (or grandchildren) to act the way that Trump does? 

That's a negative ghostrider.  Is Trump an Asshole, Yes.  Does he sometimes say things that he shouldn't, Yes.  Does he make IMHO great business decisions, Yes.  Is they,them,their,she,her,Cornstarch his priority? NO.
Is the economy recovering, Yes.

I vote with my wallet

[neurosis]

I vote with my wallet

Most people vote for what they feel is their own best interests. That's not a secret.

I just find it hypocritical for people to pretend to be moral while defending immoral behavior.

[Rstewart]

Most people vote for what they feel is their own best interests. That's not a secret.

I just find it hypocritical for people to pretend to be moral while defending immoral behavior.

Fair enough, but what is your definition of moral?  What has this administration done that is immoral other than Trumps loud mouth?

I mean why do I participate in these discussions, it's like a trainwreck, I just have to look lol.   

[Bucky Cornstarch]

Fair enough, but what is your definition of moral?  What has this administration done that is immoral other than Trumps loud mouth?

I mean why do I participate in these discussions, it's like a trainwreck, I just have to look lol. 

Do you think cheating on your wife (wives) is immoral?

Do you think denying that you lost an election, and then committing acts that encouraged your (admittedly, not smart) followers to raid the Capitol to try and stop an election from being ratified is immoral?

Do you think travel bans that target certain ethnic minorities and religious groups is immoral?

Do you think using the office of the president to promote and profit from your own businesses is immoral?


These are all things that Trump has never done, but a president might do in the future. We need to set boundaries to keep these things from happening.