Trump needs to sign an EO to release the Epstein list!

[beej]

So you're saying that you think that all of the new information that has been released to the public, is all BS?

You still don't know that Kamala had access to any of this information. I had to look it up. The investigation was over, but the information was still considered classified at that time.

There is a TON of information that shows Trumps involvement with Epstein. If you don't see that by now, it's because you don't care to.

it's not that I don't care to. I dont' really care what happens to Trump. In fact it might be better for my political beliefs if he resigned and Vance became president. But what look at as apathy, is more like once bitten twice shy. I've seen this same line of attack used against Trump over and over and over and it always turns into vapor. who knows one of these might turn into something real, but I ain't holding my breath.

[beej]

You still don't know that Kamala had access to any of this information. I had to look it up. The investigation was over, but the information was still considered classified at that time.

classified from whom, exactly? classified from the president of the United States? Come on, Neuro. I know you want it to be true, but just think about it.

[pmartin]

Why weren't the Epstein files released by The Obama or Biden administrations? I think that it was likely a case of mutually assured destruction Ala the cold war.

Now with the Democrats backed into such a tight corner they are saying what the hell.

[neurosis]

classified from whom, exactly? classified from the president of the United States? Come on, Neuro. I know you want it to be true, but just think about it.

She wasn't the president. If it were so easy to release all of that information to the public, why is there such a huge battle over it now?

[neurosis]

Does anyone see the irony in Bill Clinton being the only one who's come out and said "release all of the files that mention me"? 

[beej]

She wasn't the president. If it were so easy to release all of that information to the public, why is there such a huge battle over it now?

you want this to be true so bad, you are not thinking straight. She was the VP. she has top security clearances. If there is something that she wants to see, all she has to do it ask Biden to get it for her. She's running a campaign while Biden is in office. She was by all accounts behind in the polls or neck and neck. she needed every advantage she could get. She could have asked Biden to look into Trump's involvement with Epstein. In fact it was all hands on deck trying to keep Trump off the ticket. They were filing lawsuits in states to keep him from even being able to run. They delved into his financial records and found some stuff in his business loans. They raided Maralago to find classified docs that he was keeping. They elevated J6 to RICO charges. And the Maralago documents to espionage. They turned a hush money case to a hooker into campaign finance violations.

If you think that this information about Epstein existed and they didn't know it or use it, you are just kidding yourself.

[beej]

Does anyone see the irony in Bill Clinton being the only one who's come out and said "release all of the files that mention me"? 

actually he's not. He said that after the embarrassing stuff got released. Which is exactly what Trump did as well.

[neurosis]

you want this to be true so bad, you are not thinking straight. She was the VP. she has top security clearances.

You want this not to be true so bad that you're not thinking straight. It took a vote from congress to get this information released. How could she have possibly used this information, assuming she had access to it in the first place, in her campaign? Or just to smear Trump publicly in the first place? Or anyone else for that matter? 

If you think that this information about Epstein existed and they didn't know it or use it, you are just kidding yourself.

So then you do think that all of this information that is recently being released to the public is just all made up BS?

Lets pretend that there isn't already a ton of information out there that already makes Trump look like he was at minimum, complacent.

[beej]

You want this not to be true so bad that you're not thinking straight. It took a vote from congress to get this information released. How could she have possibly used this information, assuming she had access to it in the first place, in her campaign? Or just to smear Trump publicly in the first place? Or anyone else for that matter? 

So then you do think that all of this information that is recently being released to the public is just all made up BS?

I wouldn't give 2 shits if trump resigned today over Epstein.

Do I think all of the stuff that's coming out is BS? not all of it. But there is a good chance that some of it is. It wouldn't suprise me one bit to see the Trump administration try to make Dems look bad and the Dems try to make Trump look bad. more than likely a lot of it is partial truth which is not much different than a lie.

[beej]

Biden as well as Trump could have simply de-classified the Epstein information. it didn't require an act of congress to do that. The only reason we had that was because Trump was stupid about it. Trump declassified the Kennedy files by himself (no act of congress). BTW Biden had promised to do that and then recanted.

[neurosis]

But there is a good chance that some of it is. It wouldn't suprise me one bit to see the Trump administration try to make Dems look bad and the Dems try to make Trump look bad. more than likely a lot of it is partial truth which is not much different than a lie.

Which information is the Dems in charge of releasing to the public? Who's running this Country right now? Who's DOJ is it?

I guess I'm not connecting the dots.

If this were all released under Biden then I think you'd have a case.


"Why it looks like Biden "didn't release" them
Because the major, deadline-driven, large document dumps only occurred after the transparency law was passed and enforced, the public perception is that "Biden didn't release the Epstein files" while his successor did.
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In reality, what changed was not primarily the personal willingness of a president to reveal information, but the existence of a specific law compelling DOJ to disclose as much as legally possible, subject to redactions for victims and ongoing investigations.
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"Biden's role versus DOJ
During Biden's presidency, there was no statute that specifically required the executive branch to release "all" Epstein records by a fixed deadline; that broad mandate came later via the Epstein Files Transparency Act, which was passed and signed under President Trump.
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Reporting and later commentary from officials and politicians frame the non-release under Biden as a continuation of DOJ independence: the White House did not formally order DOJ to override its normal rules on redactions, victim privacy, and ongoing cases simply to satisfy public curiosity or political pressure.
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[neurosis]

Biden as well as Trump could have simply de-classified the Epstein information

Which one of the two ran on releasing the information, and then which one fought it and started calling it a hoax?

[beej]

Which information is the Dems in charge of releasing to the public?

were you asleep when the Democrats in Congress started releasing Epstein info on Trump to put pressure on him to release the entire Epstein file?

Which one of the two ran on releasing the information, and then which one fought it and started calling it a hoax?

Trump said he would release it and then recanted. I don't know if I'd call it running on that though it was a question asked to him on a podcast and he said, "sure, I'll release those as well as the Kennedy files." and then he released the Kennedy files and not the Epstein stuff.

But you are sort of missing my point. If there was direct evidence that Trump was abusing kids with Epstein. Biden would have/should have released it. He had the authority to do it. he didn't. that makes me think, there is not the evidence you think there is based on what this reporter claims there is on that youtube video.

[neurosis]

were you asleep when the Democrats in Congress started releasing Epstein info on Trump to put pressure on him to release the entire Epstein file?

Who is in charge of the information being released? If it were the dems, there wouldn't be so many redactions.

[beej]

Who is in charge of the information being released? If it were the dems, there wouldn't be so many redactions.

the Dems had complete control of those redactions 1 year ago. but for some reason, democrats didn't care about them one year ago.