The beginning of the end of Canada

[megatronprime]

Alberta moves forward with petition secede from Canada

Elections Alberta has approved the petition which needs 178,000 signatures in the next 4 months, if enough signatures are given, it will trigger a vote to secede from the federation.
A recent poll on change.org received over 200,000 votes saying yes to secede from Canada.

[mowens]

Can they survive on their own as a country?

[megatronprime]

Can they survive on their own as a country?

Yeah, I think so

[Here's Johnny!]

Even if a vote is held I don't believe they will separate. There is no clear legal path to separate (who owns what etc), it would end up getting fought out over decades through court challenges.

I don't blame the western provinces for wanting to separate, Quebec and Ontario pretty much dictate what happens in the federal elections.

[Flycut]

I witnessed and stronger desire of separation when Quebec wanted it's independence back in 1995.
Nothing happened the and nothing will happen now.   

[TylerBeer]

It's a much smaller vocal minority that are trying the Alberta separatists movement than they would have you believe. A handful of MAGA wannabes

[gcode]

Can they survive on their own as a country?

Absolutely
Alberta has all the oil, mining and timber and the Feds depend on that revenue.
The real question is can Canada survive without Alberta?

[CNCAppsJames]

Can they survive on their own as a country?

The 🤏 I know about the individual provinces, of all the provinces, Alberta is probably the best equipped to do so IMHO.

Secession is a big deal. We had a bout of that in the mid-1800's. To date, hands down it was the bloodiest conflict we've ever been involved in. By far. Not really knowing that part of Canada's fabric, I don't know that it would come to that. They are far more civilized than we are. We'll kill each other without even batting an eye. Canadians... not so much. 

It will be interesting to watch to say the least because there's a contingent of Canadians that are hardcore socialists. They want to rule over the citizens and dissention is not looked upon kindly. That doesn't play well with a large portion of people out west.

JM2CFWIW 

[SuperHoneyBadger]

There are many more steps after, should they get enough support in Alberta and actually try. Constitutional amendment, first and foremost, with input and negotiations from all other provinces - that is totally uncharted waters.

Mostly they don't want to get fucked around by the feds anymore, and want to defend/uphold the national-provincial divisions of power as defined in our Constitution (yes, we have one too). I can respect that. It gets murky and political when you go out and talk to the oil drillin' cowboys, but that's the gist. "We own it, we should get to control it"

Thing is, they don't really have a leg to stand on legally as a province. Every time they try, they lose in court. The provinces don't have veto power over federal laws that govern inter-provincial or international trade, or peace law and order, or national security. As much as they cite a few sections of the Constitution, 92, 92A and 109, ownership of land and resources by the provinces doesn't mean you don't need follow federal regulations (whether you agree or disagree is another story [further, whether or not the laws have been enacted in bad faith against a province is another 'nother story]).

Who would want to be in a club where you pay a ton of dues, and simultaneously get essentially zero say in the overall direction and can't leave the room?

[mowens]

I think Quebec was a different story. From my recollection when I was living there, it was primarily the socialists that wanted to separate. Since it's been over 25 years my memory is a little murky. The guy we hired to teach us French was a socialist separatist. I think they still wanted to maintain some financial ties to the rest of Canada.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

The 🤏 I know about the individual provinces, of all the provinces, Alberta is probably the best equipped to do so IMHO.

Secession is a big deal. We had a bout of that in the mid-1800's. To date, hands down it was the bloodiest conflict we've ever been involved in. By far. Not really knowing that part of Canada's fabric, I don't know that it would come to that. They are far more civilized than we are. We'll kill each other without even batting an eye. Canadians... not so much.

It will be interesting to watch to say the least because there's a contingent of Canadians that are hardcore socialists. They want to rule over the citizens and dissention is not looked upon kindly. That doesn't play well with a large portion of people out west.

JM2CFWIW

Not sure you have any business posting about this since you have no real skin in the game.

[Newbeeee™]

Even if a vote is held I don't believe they will separate. There is no clear legal path to separate (who owns what etc), it would end up getting fought out over decades through court challenges.

I don't blame the western provinces for wanting to separate, Quebec and Ontario pretty much dictate what happens in the federal elections.

Unless it all dies a natural death, my 10 bucks says ultimately, the same will happen as it did in Spain. "They'll" round up the renegades and illegally throw them in the clink.
And nobody, will do anything about it.

[Newbeeee™]

Thing is, they don't really have a leg to stand on legally as a province. Every time they try, they lose in court. The provinces don't have veto power over federal laws that govern inter-provincial or international trade, or peace law and order, or national security. As much as they cite a few sections of the Constitution, 92, 92A and 109, ownership of land and resources by the provinces doesn't mean you don't need follow federal regulations (whether you agree or disagree is another story [further, whether or not the laws have been enacted in bad faith against a province is another 'nother story]).

Who would want to be in a club where you pay a ton of dues, and simultaneously get essentially zero say in the overall direction and can't leave the room?

"The System", is a clever 'ol thing....

[gcode]

"They'll" round up the renegades and illegally throw them in the clink.

Or they'll do what Canada did during the Covid trucker's protest.
They just turned off their bank accounts and put them out of business with the click of a switch.

[SuperHoneyBadger]

Or they'll do what Canada did during the Covid trucker's protest.
They just turned off their bank accounts and put them out of business with the click of a switch.

Can't wait for digital ID so they can turn those off too.