ICE agent fatally shoots woman

[mowens]

"
Trying to get away by running over a federal agent you mean."

No, that's not what I mean.

[Jeff]

"
Trying to get away by running over a federal agent you mean."

No, that's not what I mean.

Well that's exactly what happened.

[CNCAppsJames]

Raiding homes (or other places) without a warrant is acceptable?

We talking citizens or illegals?

[Rstewart]

Raiding homes (or other places) without a warrant is acceptable?

If it is believed that Illegal aliens are be housed or employed there, YES

[mowens]

Well that's exactly what happened.

That's where we disagree.

[TylerBeer]

This is about the best analysis I've seen and doesn't involve any YouTube influencers

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-TRUMP/MINNESOTA-RECONSTRUCT/egvbbeqeevq/?utm_social_post_id=646658194&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_social_handle_id=114050161948682&fbclid=IwdGRjcAPR55xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeHKaXRMCuz5jxDbxEWLmCR4rFV-RNLaziWAYgGkvNKW30jMHsPD67keRmR1Y_aem_kwc1D415FC_vaGP_rCHd8Q

[Jeff]

That's where we disagree.

The audio on the video has the agent reacting "Umph" as he is hit. Did you not see/hear that part?

[beej]

This is about the best analysis I've seen and doesn't involve any YouTube influencers

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-TRUMP/MINNESOTA-RECONSTRUCT/egvbbeqeevq/?utm_social_post_id=646658194&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_social_handle_id=114050161948682&fbclid=IwdGRjcAPR55xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeHKaXRMCuz5jxDbxEWLmCR4rFV-RNLaziWAYgGkvNKW30jMHsPD67keRmR1Y_aem_kwc1D415FC_vaGP_rCHd8Q

yes, great analysis. somehow the car and the officer made contact.....   great analysis. The left is trying really hard.

[mowens]

I saw him say "whoa" as the corner of the car grazed him. I also saw the wheels of the car turned as far right as they would go, away from the guy. This would seem to indicate she was trying to get away from him. This was a case of officer created jeopardy.

"The crux of officer-created jeopardy is putting yourself in a position to use force in response to whatever the suspect's doing, as opposed to just reacting to protect his own life or someone else's,"

You could go down a rabbit hole with all the ways this should have been avoided.

She wouldn't be dead if she hadn't been there.
She wouldn't be dead if the agent hadn't stood almost in front of the car (which violates standard officer training)
She wouldn't be dead if she hadn't tried to leave.
She wouldn't be dead if the agent hadn't drawn his weapon as she barely moved the car.
She wouldn't be dead if her wife hadn't been egging her on.
Also, I don't think she would be dead if the agent hadn't been injured in a previous incident involving being dragged by a fleeing vehicle.

[Jeff]

I also saw the wheels of the car turned as far right as they would go, away from the guy.

So you didn't see when the wheels were turned to the left and she gassed it before turning them to the right?
Because that happened as well.

[beej]

I saw him say "whoa" as the corner of the car grazed him. I also saw the wheels of the car turned as far right as they would go, away from the guy. This would seem to indicate she was trying to get away from him. This was a case of officer created jeopardy.

"The crux of officer-created jeopardy is putting yourself in a position to use force in response to whatever the suspect's doing, as opposed to just reacting to protect his own life or someone else's,"

You could go down a rabbit hole with all the ways this should have been avoided.

She wouldn't be dead if she hadn't been there.
She wouldn't be dead if the agent hadn't stood almost in front of the car (which violates standard officer training)
She wouldn't be dead if she hadn't tried to leave.
She wouldn't be dead if the agent hadn't drawn his weapon as she barely moved the car.
She wouldn't be dead if her wife hadn't been egging her on.
Also, I don't think she would be dead if the agent hadn't been injured in a previous incident involving being dragged by a fleeing vehicle.

your analysis is better than Reuters.

[CNCAppsJames]

We're all products of our experiences. Right, wrong, good, or bad.

When someone injects themselves into a law enforcement action, things for the most part tend to go badly for them. They either end up arrested, arrested and injured, arrested, injured, charged, or arrested, injured, charged and convicted. Then sometimes, things go REALLY badly, and someone ends up dead. NONE of those things are good. Not a one. Why get involved?

It is indeed tragic that this woman's children will now grow up without a mother. What will probably never get talked about is now how are these children going to view Law Enforcement in the future? Are they going to have the wherewithal to view this tragedy for what it was? Or, are they going to go down the dark path and give in to the narrative that all Law Enforcement persons are bad?

[mowens]

So you didn't see when the wheels were turned to the left and she gassed it before turning them to the right?
Because that happened as well.

You mean when she had the wheels turned to the left as she was backing up before she turned them to the right to escape.
Again, we disagree.

Once again, this shooting might have been legal, technically, but it was not necessary to protect the officer's, or anyone else's, life. In my opinion, for what it's worth.

[beej]

ashley babbit and renee good are not apples and oranges. If you think one was justified and one was not, you are not being consistent in your convictions. m2cfwiw.

[Smit]

ashley babbit and renee good are not apples and oranges. If you think one was justified and one was not, you are not being consistent in your convictions. m2cfwiw.

I asked that question earlier and got no responses.