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[mowens]

Doug, for the record,  I didn't call you stupid. I said I have a low tolerance for stupid things coming from intelligent people. You are obviously a very smart guy.

[CNCAppsJames]

...Capitalism is great when when people generally have morals and are concerned about the betterment and future of society. Capitalism fails when it becomes an "eff everyone else, I'm going to get mine even if it means my children's future is screwed".

That's the thing, people generally don't have morals. They never have, and they never will. Human nature will never change. Murder... pretty much illegal everywhere, and pretty much always has been... yet it's history goes back to the 2nd generation of mankind.

There is no perfect economic system... because there are no perfect humans. We don't get to pick and choose how an economic system functions in the world at large. We do however get to pick and choose what economic system we live under. I choose Capitalism... warts and all.

[CNCAppsJames]

This phraseology is firmly in the realm of 'wtf, I love this'. Also it doesn't sound like something a person would actually say out loud to someone else...

I actually DID ask my best friend that was in distress this very question... it was a risk for sure... "... so (name), you want to suck start your Glock or what...?" He had that same "WTF" look on his face then he started . It brought some much needed dark humor to a potentially grave situation, and we were able to have a really deep conversation after that. Shortly after that he got the professional help he needed.

Dark humor is like food... not everyone gets it. 

 

[YoDoug]

That's the thing, people generally don't have morals. They never have, and they never will. Human nature will never change. Murder... pretty much illegal everywhere, and pretty much always has been... yet it's history goes back to the 2nd generation of mankind.

There is no perfect economic system... because there are no perfect humans. We don't get to pick and choose how an economic system functions in the world at large. We do however get to pick and choose what economic system we live under. I choose Capitalism... warts and all.

So the TLDR for anyone that doesn't want to read through all your long rants is;

Socialism=bad, capitalism=good, this is absolute and no other possibilities can ever exist. go team red.

[CNCAppsJames]

So the TLDR for anyone that doesn't want to read through all your long rants is;

Socialism=bad, capitalism=good, this is absolute and no other possibilities can ever exist. go team red.

I'm torn between the emoji and the emoji.

Typical... you distill it down to a red vs. blue issue. Taking your cues from crazy lefties in here I see

Socialism is good... in theory. Communism is good... in theory. Capitalism is good... in practice. Of course there could be a better solution, but those pesky humans keep getting in the way... because, you know, human nature does human nature things.

But the fact that a better economic system hasn't been developed in all the millenia of civilization, just might be an indicator of something. Not red, not blue. Just human.

[YoDoug]

Typical... you distill it down to a red vs. blue issue.

LOL, I'm the one that wants to actually discuss the failures of Capitalism. You just keep spouting the "It's best we have tried ever" and ignore any real discussion that means admitting Capitalism isn't working very well anymore, like it used to.

[Zoffen]

What system to do we have now? IMHO it is not even close to real capitalism. Once you have daddy .gov being able to influence any industry with the stoke of a pen with unlimited free monies, the core tenants of capitalism go out the window. We are more of a centrally planned economy than many would like to admit. There are still strong capitalist values but as the monies grows its all becomes a blend of central planning and corporatism. A form of capitalism still exists but you make way better money with corporatism so thatch where most will go...

[CNCAppsJames]

...I'm the one that wants to actually discuss the failures of Capitalism while completely disregarding the positives I get from it every day...

Free fiss.

[CNCAppsJames]

This argument is similar to others where government is heavily or solely involved... Law Enforcement are blamed for the laws they are charged with enforcing... all the while the individuals that actually created and signed the laws onto the books that created the enforcement situation in the first place skate free. 

"Capitalism" is being blamed for government's market interventions and never once being held accountable for THEIR failures all the while the @YoDoug 's of the world scream "capitalism is bad"... from their capitalism created devices.

 

[YoDoug]

Free fiss.

You didn't fix anything, you just swerved as usual. As I have said before, you are the opposite side of the coin to Smit. Exactly the same. Completely impossible to have an actual discussion with you.

In the interest of actual discussion, Anyone can clearly see capitalists very often let greed drive and and someone else almost always takes the haircut on it. Do you think this is ok, AKA, let the buyer beware. Should we allow some levels of oversight to try to prevent these?

[neurosis]

What system to do we have now?

Crony Capitalism and Corporatism that the right keeps trying to pass off as Capitalism (the best we have or the best system ever).


Hold on - let me get my glock. 

[YoDoug]

This argument is similar to others where government is heavily or solely involved... Law Enforcement are blamed for the laws they are charged with enforcing... all the while the individuals that actually created and signed the laws onto the books that created the enforcement situation in the first place skate free.

"Capitalism" is being blamed for government's market interventions and never once being held accountable for THEIR failures all the while the @YoDoug 's of the world scream "capitalism is bad"... from their capitalism created devices.

Again, you completely failed to actually read and comprehend what I was saying. I never said anything about government intervention. That was Zoffen. I said capitalism favors immoral business practices. I listed examples and reasons why I believe that. Rather than address that you just keep calling the same names and spouting the same platitudes. I don't even know what to say to you anymore.

[CNCAppsJames]

You didn't fix anything, you just swerved as usual. As I have said before, you are the opposite side of the coin to Smit. Exactly the same. Completely impossible to have an actual discussion with you.

The one you speak of  is an individual that has never once, offered ANY verifiable evidence (Library of Congress, Congressional Record, Constitution, U.S.C., Founding Documents, etc... ad infinitum) to support anything or any claim he's ever made. That individual and I are NOT the same. Not by a long shot.

How can a substantive discussion take place when the actual cause of the failures in the first place (Government) are being requested to give "some levels of oversight". You're literally asking the foxes to guard the hen house.

[CNCAppsJames]

... I never said anything about government intervention. ..

You said, and I quote

... some levels of oversight...

. Who migt be doing that oversight? It's certainly not the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus.



There's not an economic system invented that does not

...favor immoral business practices...

. I completely understand your point about greed, and all the other warts. 100% But you seem to think we can

... some levels of oversight...

our way out of the human condition. That's were we disagree. I say those things have been going on since the dawn of time, you don't even acknowledge that.

[YoDoug]

How can a substantive discussion take place when the actual cause of the failures in the first place (Government) are being requested to give "some levels of oversight". You're literally asking the foxes to guard the hen house.

See, that would be a first step to having a discussion. I agree, government rarely ever fixes the issue and I tread very lightly on gov oversight. So what do we do to discourage immoral greed driven business practices that are harmful to people?