UK Gov to ban smoking and vapes

[Newbeeee™]

I'm not a lover of smoking but am a lover of freedom of choice.
This, to me, is obvious BS nanny-state grubbermint overreach.
I guess.... at least a couple or three here will probably think it great.

"anyone born after 1 January 2009, makes it illegal for shops to sell them tobacco, to create a smoke-free generation."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn08jy6w0l5o?

[Bucky Cornstarch]

Lame.

[Newbeeee™]

Lame.

My 10bucks says you think they should go further and restrict meat, gas and heating too....

[Smit]

What is a grubbermint?

You have a really shitty spell check Frenchy.

Just sayin. 

[Newbeeee™]

What is a grubbermint?

You have a really shitty spell check Frenchy.

Just sayin. 

2 out of 3....

[jstell]

Oh great.  Let's create a black market for cigarettes.  Unregulated.  Untaxed.  F-ing genious!

[Bucky Cornstarch]

My 10bucks says you think they should go further and restrict meat, gas and heating too....

Once again, you're wrong. The reason I am against most things Nutter is being I have a low tolerance for stupidity, a quality most righties possess in spades.

The only thing a ban on smokes and vapes will do is ensure that every person the ban applies to will try smoking and vaping at least once.

[mowens]

I'm not sure what I think. There is no doubt that smoking and vaping kill people.
I was just reading about the Sackler family and Purdue Pharma paying billions in fines for their part in the opioid epidemic and the company itself being dissolved. Of course, most of the money is going to the government and not the people who were or whose families were injured.

[jstell]

Prohibition doesn't work.  This has been proven time and time again.  When you criminalize a product, the supply chain ends up being run by criminals.  The idea that the market will miraculously vanish is just another fairy tale.

[Newbeeee™]

Oh great.  Let's create a black market for cigarettes.  Unregulated.  Untaxed.  F-ing genious!

60 year old Son asks 85 year old Mom to nip to the shops "can you get me some more fags please"....

[Elmer Fudd]

What is a grubbermint?

You have a really shitty spell check Frenchy.

Just sayin. 

Hey,at least is wasn't half capital and half lower case. 

[mowens]

Prohibition doesn't work.  This has been proven time and time again.  When you criminalize a product, the supply chain ends up being run by criminals.  The idea that the market will miraculously vanish is just another fairy tale.

I can see that when it comes to something like alcohol or drugs.

Never having been a tobacco user, I guess I don't see the point. It always baffled me why people would spend so much money on something that won't even give you a buzz.

[Newbeeee™]

I'm not sure what I think. There is no doubt that smoking and vaping kill people.
I was just reading about the Sackler family and Purdue Pharma paying billions in fines for their part in the opioid epidemic and the company itself being dissolved. Of course, most of the money is going to the government and not the people who were or whose families were injured.

They thought they knew about it in the 50's, that smoking disabled the p53 (anti tumour).
Confirmed it in the 70's.
It was publicly confirmed in the 90's and in between they'd spent millions on advertising to cover and divert away from people knowing....
And then.... it all went quiet, and carried on....

[jstell]

60 year old Son asks 85 year old Mom to nip to the shops "can you get me some more fags please"....

Used to be 35-y-o mom sent 10-y-o kid to the store to buy smokes for her. 
Chin on counter, peering up, "Can I have some Benson & Hedges for my mom, please?"
"No problem sonny.  That'll be a dollar fifteen."

[Smit]

I'm not sure what I think. There is no doubt that smoking and vaping kill people.
I was just reading about the Sackler family and Purdue Pharma paying billions in fines for their part in the opioid epidemic and the company itself being dissolved. Of course, most of the money is going to the government and not the people who were or whose families were injured.

To me the difference is the Sackler's and company lied to doctors about the opioids not being addictive. At first the doctors probably believed them, and who knows, maybe even Purdue Pharma believe it in the beginning. But after a while they (company and some doctors) were intentionally getting people addicted for the purpose of enriching themselves. Bottom line is most of the opioid addicts were tricked into addiction.

It's pretty hard to believe anybody still believes cigarettes and vapes aren't dangerous. There is no medical benefit either, so they're willingly choosing to do that to themselves. And if they're consciously choosing to do it then I'd say let them. Because jstell is right, if there is a demand it will be met thru the black market. It might not be a huge cartel like drugs but where there is a market there will be a way.

I expect the existing cartels will probably just add that product to their existing business plan. They already have the infrastructure.