# of years before Gas cars are dead? place your bets.

[mkd]

1,100 Hp electric that''' spank a Bugatti Chiron for 1/26th the price? Yep.............
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9.2 in the 1320. I know very very fast superbikes that won't do that.

I figure (edit: purchasing new) Gas cars will not make economic sense to buy new within 5 years. You say......?

[Here's Johnny!]

Most car companies are planning on within 10-15 years but that could change.

[mkd]

Most car companies are planning on within 10-15 years but that could change.

Could you imagine in 1998, a tech company sayin they'll be 'online' in 2009'??

[gcode]

You and I will be dead and buried and people will still be driving gasoline powered cars
The only thing that will change that is the development of some new cheap clean method of power generation
Breakthrough battery technology will also be required

[mkd]

Well, your not wrong, as usual. Gas cars will continue to be a curio and relic until they stop selling gas.

 Cost parity on battery cars is already here. Tesla is still selling high to fund growth from early adopters. Within 5 years, development and production costs being recouped will make buying gas cars silly.
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since they only have 62 moving parts, ownership should be great.

[Del.]

How long does it take to fully charge an electric car?

[Matthew Hajicek]

How long does it take to fully charge an electric car?

Tesla is claiming 40 minutes to 80%.

I see gas cars hanging around for certain use cases for some time; hauling your boat up to the lake, long haul trucking, traveling salesmen, etc.  But for other use cases, such as my 3 mile, 8 minute daily commute, electric makes much more sense.  I think the sensible course for many is to have an electric commuter and an IC truck.

Thinking of getting an electric motorcycle soon.

[Bruce Caulley]

Full electric takeup won't happen until the grid is capable of handling the power draw of every home plugging in a few cars each night at the same time.  That won't happen while people still think that much juice can be reliably had with windmills etc.  So my guess is that petrol power is here to stay for a few more generations at least.  The realities of grid capacity and the economics of the required expansion can't be ignored.

Cheers

[mkd]

A generation being 25 years,, I tend to agree.
Although pistons slapping up and down, will be nothing but a quant anachronism. A luxury product like mechanical watches today.

[Smit]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=11146 time=1621189590 user_id=57]
Thinking of getting an electric motorcycle soon.
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Will you get the optional subwoofer so you can have the rumble?  

[YoDoug]

I drive a 7 passenger SUV. Probably 99% of the time it is just me or just me and wife driving <50 miles from our house. In those times I could easily have an electric car. The problem is the 4 times a year we need to load three kids and two dogs and travel 6-18 hours to visit family. Just not practical to have to stop every 4-6 hours for 40+ minutes to charge an electric car. Also, the only 7 passenger electric SUV's are double the cost of equivalent gas SUV's. Truthfully, my wifes car could easily be a smaller electric, however again the cost is far more than I am willing to pay.

[neurosis]

How many fully electric vehicles are on the market right now and how many of them are affordable?  

Washington State plans on banning the sale of gas powered vehicles as soon as 2030 and I'm not sure how they plan on working that out.

[Jeff]

It's a pretty big country, not everyone lives in NY or L.A.
It's a very very long time until the infrastructure is in place for everyone to make the switch from Joe Schmoe in rural Alaska to someone living in the boonies of Montana.

[YoDoug]

Another thing about making this mass switch to electric cars; The precious metals needed to make that many batteries will make a huge impact in several ways. One is the increased environmental issues from that much more mining. The other is the cost increases of other products. I went to an Iscar new product seminar two years ago. Iscar's president said that the demand for cobalt to make car batteries is going to make carbide tooling triple in cost over the next decade. That will have a huge downstream impact on prices. If $150 dollar performance 1/2" endmills start costing $450, there will be no choice but to raise prices.

[Jim at Gentex]

[quote="Bruce Caulley" post_id=11149 time=1621209847 user_id=99]
Full electric takeup won't happen until the grid is capable of handling the power draw of every home plugging in a few cars each night at the same time.  That won't happen while people still think that much juice can be reliably had with windmills etc.  So my guess is that petrol power is here to stay for a few more generations at least.  The realities of grid capacity and the economics of the required expansion can't be ignored.

Cheers
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I agree 100%
However, the greenies can and will ignore the realities as they always do.