# of years before Gas cars are dead? place your bets.

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Tim Johnson

#30
May 18, 2021, 07:12 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: gcode post_id=11140 time=1621138613 user_id=60You and I will be dead and buried and people will still be driving gasoline powered cars
The only thing that will change that is the development of some new cheap clean method of power generation
Breakthrough battery technology will also be required


I read somewhere that Toyota is developing a solid state battery that will fully charge in the 5 minute range. That's not far from filling up with gas time.
FJB

mkd

#31
May 18, 2021, 07:38 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
Honestly I don't understand solid state battery tech or it promise for the future. So far it's been decades? Of hype

gcode

#32
May 18, 2021, 08:08 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
Electric cars are all well and good, but the idiots who run this state can't even keep the lights going on a hot summer
day.
Add a couple of million commuters getting home on a hot summer day and plugging their cars into the grid and you've got real problems
Wind and solar alone are never going to cut it, nukes plants scare the crap out of people
natural gas is eeeevil, water generated power kills the salmon so there is not much left.
Before we can reach that green nirvana of millions of electric cars, we need a totally new power source.
Maybe they can figure out how to run power plants with unicorn farts and fairy dust

Matthew Hajicek

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May 18, 2021, 08:46 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: YoDoug post_id=11210 time=1621343287 user_id=58Prices are sky high on used cars right now. That is why we are not buying. Cars that will probably only last a year with crap tires that used to go for $1000-$1500 are going for $2500-$3000.


And before cash for clunkers they were $500 - $800.

mkd

#34
May 18, 2021, 10:05 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: gcode post_id=11221 time=1621350510 user_id=60Before we can reach that green nirvana of millions of electric cars, we need a totally new power source.
Maybe they can figure out how to run power plants with unicorn farts and fairy dust

I propose the fireball in the sky :harhar:

mkd

#35
May 18, 2021, 10:08 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
100mile x 100mile area of solar coverage will power the country. not much going on in Utah...so...

YoDoug

#36
May 18, 2021, 10:12 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
It's about the motion of the ocean! That's a huge renewable energy source waiting to be tapped.

mkd

#37
May 18, 2021, 10:22 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
https://electrek.co/2021/05/17/tesla-produces-first-model-y-megacast-gigafactory-texas/">//https://electrek.co/2021/05/17/tesla-produces-first-model-y-megacast-gigafactory-texas/
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holy monolithic casting, Batman!

gcode

#38
May 18, 2021, 10:48 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: mkd post_id=11225 time=1621357683 user_id=155100mile x 100mile area of solar coverage will power the country. not much going on in Utah...so...


have you got a source for those numbers ?
I think they are off by a thousand percent or so ..

mkd

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May 18, 2021, 10:58 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: gcode post_id=11232 time=1621360087 user_id=60
Quote from: mkd post_id=11225 time=1621357683 user_id=155100mile x 100mile area of solar coverage will power the country. not much going on in Utah...so...


have you got a source for those numbers ?
I think they are off by a thousand percent or so ..


Electric Jesus




(aka Elon Musk)
https://www.ecowatch.com/elon-musk-we-can-power-america-by-covering-small-corner-of-utah-with-s-1882130448.html">https://www.ecowatch.com/elon-musk-we-c ... 30448.html">https://www.ecowatch.com/elon-musk-we-can-power-america-by-covering-small-corner-of-utah-with-s-1882130448.html
191miles square for the world.

sorry live edits :harhar:

mkd

#40
May 18, 2021, 11:17 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-solar-panels-america">https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk ... ls-america">https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-solar-panels-america
this references the 100x100

Matthew Hajicek

#41
May 18, 2021, 11:42 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: mkd post_id=11227 time=1621358567 user_id=155holy monolithic casting, Batman!


Yup.  Get in a fender bender and crack it?  Car's totaled.

mkd

#42
May 18, 2021, 01:01 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
Good question. That's been the argument against unibody cars for decades, so i wouldn't think it out of the ordinary at this point. However instead of literally 300 robots creating that section of the body it is made in a monolithic whole that could be shipped all over the country instead of the confines of the factory. Seems the chances of repair-ability are slightly higher, although we have no idea really.

mkd

#43
May 18, 2021, 01:07 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
So Tesla created their own alloy for the casting that didn't exist before, in order not to need any heat treat or other futzing around afterwards.


****** People just don't realize how far ahead Elon's thinking is. *************

RobertELee

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May 19, 2021, 07:31 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00 PM by Guest
From Ford

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