Covid Vaccine

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

https://vaers.hhs.gov/">https://vaers.hhs.gov/

As of May 10 there has been about 4500 reports of people dying after receiving at least one dose of the vaccine. Now, they can't conclusively say that the vaccine was a direct cause of those deaths. However, it is the same reporting metric that has been used to measure vaccines for decades. When comparing the data to all other vaccines Covid has more reports of someone dying after one dose than all other vaccines in the past few decades.

Misleading. Not science.

How is it misleading. It's the same reporting system, that uses the same criteria to report incidents after getting a vaccine. In most of the reports they cannot say for certain that the vaccine was the cause, yet people still died. And the numbers of reports of death for Covid vaccines are more than all of the reports for all other vaccines. Again, it is still a very very low risk for people that need the vaccine. by no means am I saying people should not take the vaccine if they feel they need it.

Read the link I posted. Washington Post. Misleading in conclusions it draws from some.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/12/ron-johnsons-unscientific-use-vaccine-death-data/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... eath-data/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/12/ron-johnsons-unscientific-use-vaccine-death-data/

The VAERS system had 4,434 reports of deaths after coronavirus vaccinations as of May 10. That represents a mortality rate of 0.0017 percent, whereas the mortality rate for people who develop covid-19 is much higher: 1.8 percent in the United States, according to a database maintained by Johns Hopkins University.

However, no evidence or scientific study shows any coronavirus vaccine caused any deaths. According to the CDC: "A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event — blood clots with low platelets — which has caused deaths." As of May 4, more than 8.4 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson-Janssen vaccine had been given in the United States. U.S. officials have identified 23 confirmed cases of people who got this single-dose vaccine and later developed blood clots, which means a rate of 0.0003 percent.

[Smit]

Except when it comes to the science you believe in, like vegan studies that support my chosen beliefs, then we should all get in line.

That's funny right there.  

[YoDoug]

Except when it comes to the science you believe in, like Covid science and vaccine company science, then we should all get in line.

I said no such thing.

I have previously stated why I made the choice for myself. I have also stated numerous times, if you don't want to get it, that is your choice.

My point was science itself, can change over time.  it  many, many, many case, It's almost never settled

Skepticism is healthy, blind obedience is not.

and just to add to the discussion, I have dropped 60lbs since Feb, my A1C was 5.9 in Apr....and I am still losing....while I eat plenty of veggies, I eat plenty of lean animal protein, healthy fats as well. The best diet for me, it's a low carb diet. My body and chemistry respond VERY well to that dietary change.

By no means is science settled when it comes to diet. In the last decade alone there has been major things learned about the gut biome. However, the thing I keep running into in my research is old, out dated info, that is still being pushed. Often because of a lack of new info, and often it is being pushed by groups that has special interests, like meat and dairy orgs. At one point people didn't think anything bad came from smoking cigarettes. Then the science started to show otherwise, however it still took a few decades to get warning labels and general consensus because of the power of cigarette companies. Right now the same is happening to meat and dairy. The science is evermore leaning towards it being harmful to consume meat and dairy. However there are giant non-profit orgs that yield incredible influence that spend millions of dollars to squash that info.

I'm not saying that someone can't be healthy while consuming some meat and dairy. I will say though that I can link to a bunch of studies that show adverse effects from meat and dairy consumption. On the other hand, I have yet to come across a study that shows adverse effects from a whole foods plant based diet. I can show you studies that show adverse effects for high protein, low carb diets including increased risk of pancreatitis, kidney failure, heart disease, lean muscle loss, etc. The info is out there, but there is a billion dollar meat and dairy industry out there pushing keto right now.

[JParis]

Keto  :shudder:

That dietary plan just looks dangerous

Humans have evolved to be meat eaters....our teeth alone prove that...that said, it's like everything else, in moderation
Our biology, deems we are hunters...we're certainly not hunting plants

[YoDoug]

Misleading. Not science.

How is it misleading. It's the same reporting system, that uses the same criteria to report incidents after getting a vaccine. In most of the reports they cannot say for certain that the vaccine was the cause, yet people still died. And the numbers of reports of death for Covid vaccines are more than all of the reports for all other vaccines. Again, it is still a very very low risk for people that need the vaccine. by no means am I saying people should not take the vaccine if they feel they need it.

Read the link I posted. Washington Post. Misleading in conclusions it draws from some.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/12/ron-johnsons-unscientific-use-vaccine-death-data/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... eath-data/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/12/ron-johnsons-unscientific-use-vaccine-death-data/

The VAERS system had 4,434 reports of deaths after coronavirus vaccinations as of May 10. That represents a mortality rate of 0.0017 percent, whereas the mortality rate for people who develop covid-19 is much higher: 1.8 percent in the United States, according to a database maintained by Johns Hopkins University.

However, no evidence or scientific study shows any coronavirus vaccine caused any deaths. According to the CDC: "A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event — blood clots with low platelets — which has caused deaths." As of May 4, more than 8.4 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson-Janssen vaccine had been given in the United States. U.S. officials have identified 23 confirmed cases of people who got this single-dose vaccine and later developed blood clots, which means a rate of 0.0003 percent.

I am beginning to think you are having trouble comprehending what I am saying. I have never said the vaccines are unsafe, or high risk. I said that the reporting system used to track adverse reactions to vaccines show more reports of death after one dose than all other vaccines in the past few decades. That's not misleading. It is still an extremely small risk as your article shows. It also does not show proof of death, however if there are that many reports as compared to other vaccines I think it is worth noting.

[YoDoug]

Keto  :shudder:

That dietary plan just looks dangerous

Humans have evolved to be meat eaters....our teeth alone prove that...that said, it's like everything else, in moderation
Our biology, deems we are hunters...we're certainly not hunting plants

LOL, we have the same teeth and jaw structure as other plant eaters. Our teeth close flat, on the other hand wolves, lions, etc have teeth that overlap and shear meat off. We also have different digestive track than meat eating animals. We have longer digestive tracks, whereas meat eating animals have shorter. We can only consume about one day worth of calories, give or take a little in one meal. Predators/hunter animals eat a weeks worth of calories at one meal because hunting is inherently inefficient. On top of that, recent evolving science has found the bacteria in 600,000 year old remains of our closest ancestors shows a mostly starch diet.

https://www.humanedecisions.com/are-humans-designed-to-eat-meat-dr-milton-mills-md/">https://www.humanedecisions.com/are-hum ... -mills-md/">https://www.humanedecisions.com/are-humans-designed-to-eat-meat-dr-milton-mills-md/

[JParis]

Obama won a Nobel....

Doesn't carry the prestige it used to

[YoDoug]

Okay KoolAide drinkers, what do you make of what the nobel winning virologist says?
https://rairfoundation.com/bombshell-nobel-prize-winner-reveals-covid-vaccine-is-creating-variants/">https://rairfoundation.com/bombshell-no ... -variants/">https://rairfoundation.com/bombshell-nobel-prize-winner-reveals-covid-vaccine-is-creating-variants/

Obama got a Nobel prize, just saying  

[YoDoug]

Obama won a Nobel....

Doesn't carry the prestige it used to

You beat me to it

[JParis]

Yeh his never counted and totally devalued the award. He was just "the face".
But this guy is a real scientist...

So was Josef Mengele

Just sayin'  

[Matthew Hajicek]

Regarding vaxxx-seeeen shedding...In one of Pfizer's early reports (the one detailing the 44k test subjects), it mentions in there possibility of spike shedding. By memory, it says the risk is for a couple of days.

Citation needed.  And what harm would it do if you got a couple virus spikes?  Oh noes, your immune system might start building up defenses!

[Matthew Hajicek]

LOL, we have the same teeth and jaw structure as other plant eaters. Our teeth close flat, on the other hand wolves, lions, etc have teeth that overlap and shear meat off.

LOL.

We have plant teeth in the back and meat teeth in the front.  I don't know about you, but my front teeth overlap about 30% when fully closed.  Most teeth I've seen do this.

[pmartin]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=11359 time=1621453147 user_id=57]

LOL, we have the same teeth and jaw structure as other plant eaters. Our teeth close flat, on the other hand wolves, lions, etc have teeth that overlap and shear meat off.

LOL.

We have plant teeth in the back and meat teeth in the front.  I don't know about you, but my front teeth overlap about 30% when fully closed.  Most teeth I've seen do this.
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Maybe Yo is originally from Kentucky. Hard to overlap one tooth. :ice:

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-plant-based-vaccine-from-a-glaxosmithkline-alliance-with-medicago-shows-strong-antibody-response-11621349865?mod=mw_latestnews">https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-pla ... latestnews">https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-plant-based-vaccine-from-a-glaxosmithkline-alliance-with-medicago-shows-strong-antibody-response-11621349865?mod=mw_latestnews

^ plant based COVID-19 vaccine. strong antibody production. (GSK)

[YoDoug]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=11359 time=1621453147 user_id=57]

LOL, we have the same teeth and jaw structure as other plant eaters. Our teeth close flat, on the other hand wolves, lions, etc have teeth that overlap and shear meat off.

LOL.

We have plant teeth in the back and meat teeth in the front.  I don't know about you, but my front teeth overlap about 30% when fully closed.  Most teeth I've seen do this.
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Did you watch the video I linked to? It is just one of many that show that we were evolved from plant eaters. Besides teeth and jaw type, there is the gut length, gut biome, mouth/gut enzymes, etc. There is a whole host of info showing our systems are made to eat and digest plant material, not meat. Here is a study showing that more increased meat consumption leads to bad chemicals in the digestive system and higher risk of IBS and possibly cancer. https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/32/10/2094/4692105?redirectedFrom=fulltext">https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-a ... m=fulltext">https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/32/10/2094/4692105?redirectedFrom=fulltext. Yay evolution, we evolved to get cancer and IBS/Crohn's from eating meat. I have yet to see a study showing we get cancer or bowel diseases from eating more veggies.