Covid Vaccine

[YoDoug]

So Oregon and a county in CA are trying out various requirements for mandatory checking of vaccination status. In 1905 the SCOTUS ruled that Massachusetts was ok levying a fine for those that refused smallpox vaccinations. However in more recent years cases and ruling have protected religious objection of vaccines, especially non-pandemic type viruses. It will be interesting to see if a case makes it to the SCOTUS. I have no doubt that McConnel's (worst GOP leader ever) hand picked Rinos (Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barret) will side with the liberals and rule against freedom and embrace big gov tyranny.

[HTM01]

just curious , when did God tell his people they can't be vaccinated ?

[rdshear]

just curious , when did God tell his people they can't be vaccinated ?

Wouldn't know, got my 2nd poke 3 weeks ago.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

These DNA vaccines are like welfare. We won't know the damage for a generation.

RNA. Our DNA resides in the cell's nucleus. So it is 100% accurate to say our DNA is not altered in any way. Our body's chemical makeup gets altered as a new (spike) protein is introduced.

So, in that spirit (a bit of clarification), you are correct. Sort of.

Our chemical makeup gets altered when we take medications. Doesn't mean a person with high blood pressure should stop taking bp meds. HBP is dangerous over time, damaging internal organs... putting extra stress on our arteries. Stroke risk is amplified. Diet and exercise works for some. Not everyone.

[YoDoug]

These DNA vaccines are like welfare. We won't know the damage for a generation.

RNA. Our DNA resides in the cell's nucleus. So it is 100% accurate to say our DNA is not altered in any way. Our body's chemical makeup gets altered as a new (spike) protein is introduced.

So, in that spirit (a bit of clarification), you are correct. Sort of.

Our chemical makeup gets altered when we take medications. Doesn't mean a person with high blood pressure should stop taking bp meds. HBP is dangerous over time, damaging internal organs... putting extra stress on our arteries. Stroke risk is amplified. Diet and exercise works for some. Not everyone.

The Cleveland clinic has near 100% success treating and reversing hypotension/heart disease as long as patients stick to the diet. It's not the diets fault, it the patients will power.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

These DNA vaccines are like welfare. We won't know the damage for a generation.

RNA. Our DNA resides in the cell's nucleus. So it is 100% accurate to say our DNA is not altered in any way. Our body's chemical makeup gets altered as a new (spike) protein is introduced.

So, in that spirit (a bit of clarification), you are correct. Sort of.

Our chemical makeup gets altered when we take medications. Doesn't mean a person with high blood pressure should stop taking bp meds. HBP is dangerous over time, damaging internal organs... putting extra stress on our arteries. Stroke risk is amplified. Diet and exercise works for some. Not everyone.

The Cleveland clinic has near 100% success treating and reversing hypotension/heart disease as long as patients stick to the diet. It's not the diets fault, it the patients will power.

Not everyone. If your BP is way too high, they will put you on meds immediately and encourage you to diet and exercise with the goal of reducing dosage and end goal get you off meds. It isn't reality for many, Doug. And many can't get their bp down to safer levels w/o medication. I had a co-worker years ago... mid to late 20's, fit as a fiddle (athletic guy) and his bp when we checked was 190 over 110!!! i warned him to get that corrected but he laughed it off. "I feel fine" (until he has a massive stroke)

What is flat out wrong (not you, Doug) is someone encouraging another to stop taking their bp meds. "side effects"... (beats half their body paralyzed). My brother-in-law's sister (the one who sadly passed away) was an ER nurse before switching to a PT. She said many men in their 40's and 50's told them "I stopped taking my bp meds" "buddies told me side effects bad". Many died and/or permanently paralyzed. Stroke.

So I've tried. Tough to keep weight off consistently (I'm slightly overweight and my weight hasn't changed in years). My bp is always stubbornly high (160/90 with no meds). I will not take that chance. Meds until whenever...

[YoDoug]

RNA. Our DNA resides in the cell's nucleus. So it is 100% accurate to say our DNA is not altered in any way. Our body's chemical makeup gets altered as a new (spike) protein is introduced.

So, in that spirit (a bit of clarification), you are correct. Sort of.

Our chemical makeup gets altered when we take medications. Doesn't mean a person with high blood pressure should stop taking bp meds. HBP is dangerous over time, damaging internal organs... putting extra stress on our arteries. Stroke risk is amplified. Diet and exercise works for some. Not everyone.

The Cleveland clinic has near 100% success treating and reversing hypotension/heart disease as long as patients stick to the diet. It's not the diets fault, it the patients will power.

Not everyone. If your BP is way too high, they will put you on meds immediately and encourage you to diet and exercise with the goal of reducing dosage and end goal get you off meds. It isn't reality for many, Doug. And many can't get their bp down to safer levels w/o medication. I had a co-worker years ago... mid to late 20's, fit as a fiddle (athletic guy) and his bp when we checked was 190 over 110!!! i warned him to get that corrected but he laughed it off. "I feel fine" (until he has a massive stroke)

What is flat out wrong (not you, Doug) is someone encouraging another to stop taking their bp meds. "side effects"... (beats half their body paralyzed). My brother-in-law's sister (the one who sadly passed away) was an ER nurse before switching to a PT. She said many men in their 40's and 50's told them "I stopped taking my bp meds" "buddies told me side effects bad". Many died and/or permanently paralyzed. Stroke.

So I've tried. Tough to keep weight off consistently (I'm slightly overweight and my weight hasn't changed in years). My bp is always stubbornly high (160/90 with no meds). I will not take that chance. Meds until whenever...

I agree, you don't come off of meds until your doctor sees a change that warrants it. The problem that I have with doctors, big pharma, and society in general when it comes to meds is the attitude that you should just accept lifelong meds. Meds treat symptoms of chronic illness, they do not cure it. In order to cure it, when possible, you need to make other changes. I say when possible because it is not always possible. Sometimes the damage is too great or genetics don't allow it. However, as I stated before, the Cleveland clinic has near 100% success rate when people stick to the diet. I know multiple people that have switched to plant based diets and have gotten off meds. I do know a few that have made the switch but not been able to get off their meds, however they were either in really bed shape before or don't eat whole foods enough, too much processed foods.

The truth is, based on large scale studies and meta analysis of multiple studies, Plant based diets reduce or eliminate the need for meds to treat the symptoms of chronic disease including type 2 diabetes, heart disease, CAD, etc. The numbers don't lie. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/

As for your personal health, I wish you all the best. That is why I keep posting info about plant based diets. I have seen the results first hand in my life. I wish everyone could feel the change in health that I have from making the switch.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

As long as you cut way back on sugars and starchy carbs.

My diabetes levels have been normal on two occasions (doctors very surprised). I did continue eating meats. What I did was eliminate most carbs and sugars (I know, technically the same thing). Reduced calories. Eating smaller portions 'a deck of cards' size meats or chicken. Eating more fish.

BTW, do you eat fish Doug? Fish along with plant based foods would seem like a healthy diet.

[Tim Johnson]

RNA. Our DNA resides in the cell's nucleus. So it is 100% accurate to say our DNA is not altered in any way. Our body's chemical makeup gets altered as a new (spike) protein is introduced.

So, in that spirit (a bit of clarification), you are correct. Sort of.

Our chemical makeup gets altered when we take medications. Doesn't mean a person with high blood pressure should stop taking bp meds. HBP is dangerous over time, damaging internal organs... putting extra stress on our arteries. Stroke risk is amplified. Diet and exercise works for some. Not everyone.

The Cleveland clinic has near 100% success treating and reversing hypotension/heart disease as long as patients stick to the diet. It's not the diets fault, it the patients will power.

Not everyone. If your BP is way too high, they will put you on meds immediately and encourage you to diet and exercise with the goal of reducing dosage and end goal get you off meds. It isn't reality for many, Doug. And many can't get their bp down to safer levels w/o medication. I had a co-worker years ago... mid to late 20's, fit as a fiddle (athletic guy) and his bp when we checked was 190 over 110!!! i warned him to get that corrected but he laughed it off. "I feel fine" (until he has a massive stroke)

What is flat out wrong (not you, Doug) is someone encouraging another to stop taking their bp meds. "side effects"... (beats half their body paralyzed). My brother-in-law's sister (the one who sadly passed away) was an ER nurse before switching to a PT. She said many men in their 40's and 50's told them "I stopped taking my bp meds" "buddies told me side effects bad". Many died and/or permanently paralyzed. Stroke.

So I've tried. Tough to keep weight off consistently (I'm slightly overweight and my weight hasn't changed in years). My bp is always stubbornly high (160/90 with no meds). I will not take that chance. Meds until whenever...

We have an annual "health checkup" day in October here that if you participate you get $10 a week off of the health insurance. The last time I participated my BP tested at 152/72 and the nurse had a hissy fit about it. I told her my doctor loved the numbers and she told me I need to find different one.   My doctor (now former, Thanks Obama) was a very fit body builder and the best doc I've ever had. I told her that I hit a heart rate between 160 and 170 5 to 7 days a week and she said she could tell because my current heart rate was 65 while arguing with her but adding oatmeal into my diet would help drop my BP.   When I told her I don't eat grains she got loud and said I need to find a nutritionist. I told her she should find a real nursing school and learn something from it. After that we both agreed this session was over.

[YoDoug]

As long as you cut way back on sugars and starchy carbs.

My diabetes levels have been normal on two occasions (doctors very surprised). I did continue eating meats. What I did was eliminate most carbs and sugars (I know, technically the same thing). Reduced calories. Eating smaller portions 'a deck of cards' size meats or chicken. Eating more fish.

BTW, do you eat fish Doug? Fish along with plant based foods would seem like a healthy diet.

I eat fish maybe once or twice a year. I eat meat maybe once a month. Usually when I do it's indulging in something horrible like a bacon cheeseburger because I am on the go and use it as an excuse. Beyond that probably 60-70% of my meals are whole foods plant based, The rest are plant based but more processed stuff like black bean burgers and prepackaged power bowl type stuff. I strive to eat more whole foods, but it just takes a lot of time to shop and prep. I started experimenting with vegan/whole foods plant diet mid-2019. Over the last two years my commitment has varied. I have done months at a time of plant based, periods 50/50 mix, etc. I am extremely active. I do jiujitsu 2-3 times week, two hours at a time. I do a mix of cardio/strength training 5-6 days a week, an hour at a time. When I stick to the plant based diet, my workouts are better and my recovery time is minimal. I can't stress enough how much a plant based diet is low inflammation. When I am eating well, my soreness the day after two hours of jiujitsu is minor. When I have eaten a bunch of meat/dairy/alcohol I am in pain. Approximately a year ago I started making a smoothie with berries, kale, flaxseed, protein powder, and almond milk everyday for breakfast. I have also added regular amounts of superfood veggies into my diet. This is the first year in my life that I have never gotten sick. Not even a mild sniffle or cold. I was not one to get sick very often before, but I dealt with the once or twice a year cold/flu. Without getting to graphic in description, I will also add that at 3-4 weeks of good plant based eating my man part starts behaving more like it did when I was 16. Better blood flow and all.  

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

[quote="Tim Johnson" post_id=11463 time=1621615042 user_id=68]

We have an annual "health checkup" day in October here that if you participate you get $10 a week off of the health insurance. The last time I participated my BP tested at 152/72 and the nurse had a hissy fit about it. I told her my doctor loved the numbers and she told me I need to find different one.   My doctor (now former, Thanks Obama) was a very fit body builder and the best doc I've ever had. I told her that I hit a heart rate between 160 and 170 5 to 7 days a week and she said she could tell because my current heart rate was 65 while arguing with her but adding oatmeal into my diet would help drop my BP.   When I told her I don't eat grains she got loud and said I need to find a nutritionist. I told her she should find a real nursing school and learn something from it. After that we both agreed this session was over.
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152 is high (not crazy high). 72 is good (diastolic). 120/80 benchmark bp. (I agree with your doctor. Those numbers aren't bad w/o medication. The 152 needs to be lower (systolic).

Definitely avoid oatmeal! j/k  

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

As long as you cut way back on sugars and starchy carbs.

My diabetes levels have been normal on two occasions (doctors very surprised). I did continue eating meats. What I did was eliminate most carbs and sugars (I know, technically the same thing). Reduced calories. Eating smaller portions 'a deck of cards' size meats or chicken. Eating more fish.

BTW, do you eat fish Doug? Fish along with plant based foods would seem like a healthy diet.

I eat fish maybe once or twice a year. I eat meat maybe once a month. Usually when I do it's indulging in something horrible like a bacon cheeseburger because I am on the go and use it as an excuse. Beyond that probably 60-70% of my meals are whole foods plant based, The rest are plant based but more processed stuff like black bean burgers and prepackaged power bowl type stuff. I strive to eat more whole foods, but it just takes a lot of time to shop and prep. I started experimenting with vegan/whole foods plant diet mid-2019. Over the last two years my commitment has varied. I have done months at a time of plant based, periods 50/50 mix, etc. I am extremely active. I do jiujitsu 2-3 times week, two hours at a time. I do a mix of cardio/strength training 5-6 days a week, an hour at a time. When I stick to the plant based diet, my workouts are better and my recovery time is minimal. I can't stress enough how much a plant based diet is low inflammation. When I am eating well, my soreness the day after two hours of jiujitsu is minor. When I have eaten a bunch of meat/dairy/alcohol I am in pain. Approximately a year ago I started making a smoothie with berries, kale, flaxseed, protein powder, and almond milk everyday for breakfast. I have also added regular amounts of superfood veggies into my diet. This is the first year in my life that I have never gotten sick. Not even a mild sniffle or cold. I was not one to get sick very often before, but I dealt with the once or twice a year cold/flu. Without getting to graphic in description, I will also add that at 3-4 weeks of good plant based eating my man part starts behaving more like it did when I was 16. Better blood flow and all.  

The Japanese eat lots of fish. Overall, low red meat and plenty of veggies. Oh and they smoke like chimneys. 2 1/2x per capita more than Americans. Heart disease is rare there. Korea, also (very similar eating habits and also heavy smokers).

So, cigarettes are blamed for the high death rates caused by heart disease here. Compare to Japan and Korea. Better diets but heavy smokers. Heart disease there practically non existent compared to U.S.

Propaganda witch hunt against cigarettes here. Sure, they are NOT healthy. Just over exaggerated. No magazine ads. No billboards. But,... hard liquor on prime time TV?? News Flash: Sorry, but alcohol isn't good for you. A host of health issues with even moderate drinking.  

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

And chewing tobacco witch hunt pet peeve of mine. Do research on mouth cancer claims. Dig deep. The data tells you the chances of developing mouth cancer are 1 in 100,000. AND,... that is the SAME odds as smoking and......... drinking alcohol (surprised me when I researched that). The same odds with all three types yet where's the "can cause mouth cancer" warning on alcohol? Or cigarettes? Yet, they are plastered on chewing tobacco labels. Statistically, 1 in a 100,000 can be translated to "you're not gonna get mouth cancer from your Skoal can."

Many will object, I know. But the science behind it is there for anyone to see (its just hard to find unless you look carefully to find it)

[Tim Johnson]

[quote="Tim Johnson" post_id=11463 time=1621615042 user_id=68]

We have an annual "health checkup" day in October here that if you participate you get $10 a week off of the health insurance. The last time I participated my BP tested at 152/72 and the nurse had a hissy fit about it. I told her my doctor loved the numbers and she told me I need to find different one.   My doctor (now former, Thanks Obama) was a very fit body builder and the best doc I've ever had. I told her that I hit a heart rate between 160 and 170 5 to 7 days a week and she said she could tell because my current heart rate was 65 while arguing with her but adding oatmeal into my diet would help drop my BP.   When I told her I don't eat grains she got loud and said I need to find a nutritionist. I told her she should find a real nursing school and learn something from it. After that we both agreed this session was over.

152 is high (not crazy high). 72 is good (diastolic). 120/80 benchmark bp. (I agree with your doctor. Those numbers aren't bad w/o medication. The 152 needs to be lower (systolic).

Definitely avoid oatmeal! j/k  
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My then doctor told me the wider the distance between the numbers (without both being high) the better off you are. He told me it meant I had a strong heart and little blood flow resistance.

[Tim Johnson]

These DNA vaccines are like welfare. We won't know the damage for a generation.

RNA. Our DNA resides in the cell's nucleus. So it is 100% accurate to say our DNA is not altered in any way. Our body's chemical makeup gets altered as a new (spike) protein is introduced.

So, in that spirit (a bit of clarification), you are correct. Sort of.

Our chemical makeup gets altered when we take medications. Doesn't mean a person with high blood pressure should stop taking bp meds. HBP is dangerous over time, damaging internal organs... putting extra stress on our arteries. Stroke risk is amplified. Diet and exercise works for some. Not everyone.

Our chemical makeup gets altered when we eat food. For example look at what happens to Popeye when he eats spinach. It makes him all nuts and he beats the crap outa Bluto.