# of years before Gas cars are dead? place your bets.

[Bruce Caulley]

Without government carbon credits, Tesla would have been a cautionary tale in an obscure footnote in engineering history.  

Cheers

Bruce

[Matthew Hajicek]

[quote="Bruce Caulley" post_id=11838 time=1622247463 user_id=99]
Without government carbon credits, Tesla would have been a cautionary tale in an obscure footnote in engineering history.  

Cheers

Bruce
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Remember the auto company bailout?

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[quote="Bruce Caulley" post_id=11838 time=1622247463 user_id=99]
Without government carbon credits, Tesla would have been a cautionary tale in an obscure footnote in engineering history.  

Cheers

Bruce
[/quote]

That's a popular criticism and not totally unfair. It would also be considered a 4D chess move to build a popular car company out of nothing, timed perfectly to take advantage of the regulatory environment that none of the legacy supply chain management firms (GM, ford, Chrysler) had the forethought to endeavor. There hasn't been a successful new car company in something like 100 years, right?
 Also, the credits are a small bonus in the big picture of finances during this scaling up period. but it is a massive LoL that the legacy SCM firm are paying Tesla to put them out of business.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Have seemed to have issues releasing new products & at scale. However, slowly releasing good things, not a bad thing. Everyone I know that has had a tesla has had many issues, but they've also had the issues resolved. There's tons of benefits.    I don't know what's going to happen.

Yeah, Sandy Munroe of storied automotive fame even told Elon to his face about some body gap issues, while in a recorded interview., With his personal Model3.
 Elon was overconfident for years at the ease with which robot automation could make complex assemblies, consistent. I was laughing at him in 2013 with his robot cells that didn't work. Wish I was investing instead of laughing.


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Interesting explanation of how engineer's decisions are sullied by career politics at the Legacy SCM outfits. It's their funeral, while Tesla die casts a solution to the thousands of fiddly parts and operations required for more traditional automating. It's removing a staggering 30% of manufacturing and potential issues.

[pmartin]

[quote="Bruce Caulley" post_id=11838 time=1622247463 user_id=99]
Without government carbon credits, Tesla would have been a cautionary tale in an obscure footnote in engineering history.  

Cheers

Bruce
[/quote]

Government subsidies for emerging transportation technologies is nothing new. For example the Transcontinental railway cost American taxpayers up to $32,000 per mile in the 1860's. There have been subsidies for commercial air travel since 1918. The bigger issue isn't having subsidies to help get a promising technology established, it is to try to eliminate those subsidies in a reasonable time frame because a company will never stop putting its hand out for more money.