Should the government be allowed to track everyone at all times?

[Matthew Hajicek]

https://reason.com/2021/06/25/appeals-court-rules-aerial-police-tracking-of-citizens-violates-fourth-amendment/">https://reason.com/2021/06/25/appeals-c ... amendment/">https://reason.com/2021/06/25/appeals-court-rules-aerial-police-tracking-of-citizens-violates-fourth-amendment/

[CADCAM396]

no

[Jim at Gentex]

Should they? No.
Can they? Absolutely.

If you have a smart phone in your pocket, you are being tracked right now.
That's not paranoia, that's fact.

It's whether or not that tracking data can be USED AGAINST YOU that is the question.

Apparently the Supreme Court recognized that using that data without a warrant is a violation of our 4A rights, but that doesn't mean that collection of all such data has stopped.

[JParis]

If the question is "Should the government" do (this).....

The answer is universally NO!

[gcode]

Unless you throw away you cell phone and live cash only .gov can and does track you.
That's how they are catching all the "terrorists" who "attacked" Congress on Jan 6
Cell phone data and bank card transactions. The banks are cooperating fully with the Feds
If you used a bank card to travel to the rally, the Feds know you were there

[Matthew Hajicek]

If the question is "Should the government" do (this).....

The answer is universally NO!

Welcome to the dark side of the blue line.

[beej]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=13091 time=1625677106 user_id=57]


Welcome to the dark side of the blue line.
[/quote]

I'm not sure the NSA is the blue line.  At least that's not what most people I know of call the blue line.  And I don't believe local police departments have the resources to track their citizens.

[Matthew Hajicek]

I'm not sure the NSA is the blue line.  At least that's not what most people I know of call the blue line.  And I don't believe local police departments have the resources to track their citizens.

Read the article I posted to start this thread, about the Baltimore Police Department using UAVs to track the general population of their city.

[Incogneeto]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=12799 time=1624766850 user_id=57]
https://reason.com/2021/06/25/appeals-court-rules-aerial-police-tracking-of-citizens-violates-fourth-amendment/">https://reason.com/2021/06/25/appeals-c ... amendment/">https://reason.com/2021/06/25/appeals-court-rules-aerial-police-tracking-of-citizens-violates-fourth-amendment/
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Just you Matt,Just you.

[rdshear]

Not just the government tracking...

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[Matthew Hajicek]

Much of the time any government agency can work around the fourth amendment by paying private companies to do the spying and tracking.

[Tim Johnson]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=13107 time=1625686957 user_id=57]

I'm not sure the NSA is the blue line.  At least that's not what most people I know of call the blue line.  And I don't believe local police departments have the resources to track their citizens.

Read the article I posted to start this thread, about the Baltimore Police Department using UAVs to track the general population of their city.
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Wasn't that shut down by the supreme court?

[Matthew Hajicek]

[quote="Tim Johnson" post_id=13130 time=1625772466 user_id=68]
Wasn't that shut down by the supreme court?
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The article is about the cops getting shutdown by the court, after they'd been doing it for a few years.  Doesn't mean they won't try another method.  Power hungry people tend to keep trying to expand their power.

[beej]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=13131 time=1625773019 user_id=57]


The article is about the cops getting shutdown by the court, after they'd been doing it for a few years.  Doesn't mean they won't try another method.  Power hungry people tend to keep trying to expand their power.
[/quote]

for the rest of eternity, power hungry people will try to get into government. and will try other methods to expand their powers.  Which is why Scalia used to tell people, the constitution is not the single most important part of our government. every tin hat dictator has a constitution that enumerates rights of the people, but it's just paper to them.  The single most important part of the government is the separation of powers and the checks and balances set in place.  They will try and the court will have to do it's job.  And it would be nice if the Executive and Legislative would also start doing their jobs.

[Matthew Hajicek]

for the rest of eternity, power hungry people will try to get into government.

The one nit I would pick, is that the government consists primarily of power hungry people.  Those are the ones willing to do what it takes to obtain positions of power and expand that power.