Vaccination and work

[Shazam/TPP]

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-stu ... nated.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

so where is Biden and his tough talk to Mass.? oh that's right blue state no point to do so, but Florida those bad Floridians..

they keep telling you to follow the science, and when i do and talk with local front liners that are non political, masks are ineffective, this is nothing more than controlling the people.

the powers that be can no longer control people with religion, so now they control them with "SCIENCE" the "new" religion

disclaimer imho

[ghuns]

...It sure doesn't appear to be like the good old days when you kill a bunch of virus and shoot it up to develop a permanent immunity like the docs were able to do with Smallpox, Polio, et al.

This puzzled me as well. As I read up on it a little, there's a thing called "sterilizing immunity". That's what you get from a smallpox vaccine. The antibodies you produce and your immune system's response completely clears the virus from your body. You don't get a mild case of smallpox, or a less serious case. You don't get it at all. Vaccine like that are the exception, not the rule.

Sterilizing immunity would be a pretty lofty goal with something like the 'Rona, especially in such a compressed time line. It would also be somewhat futile. It would not make the virus go away. It would just jump to animal hosts. Even if you could temporarily wipe it out in humans, it would just pop back up when your immunity wore off and then you'd get it from the neighbor's cat or something.

There was at least one vaccine in development that has shown sterilizing immunity to the 'Rona in mice...

Intranasal COVID-19 vaccine candidate shows sterilizing immunity in preclinical tests
https://www.uab.edu/news/research/item/12027-intranasal-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-shows-sterilizing-immunity-in-preclinical-tests">https://www.uab.edu/news/research/item/ ... ical-tests">https://www.uab.edu/news/research/item/12027-intranasal-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-shows-sterilizing-immunity-in-preclinical-tests

But it didn't do so well in human trials and was dropped...

Altimmune Announces Update On AdCOVID™ Phase 1 Clinical Trial
https://ir.altimmune.com/news-releases/news-release-details/altimmune-announces-update-adcovidtm-phase-1-clinical-trial">https://ir.altimmune.com/news-releases/ ... ical-trial">https://ir.altimmune.com/news-releases/news-release-details/altimmune-announces-update-adcovidtm-phase-1-clinical-trial

[Shazam/TPP]

It sure doesn't appear to be like the good old days when you kill a bunch of virus and shoot it up to develop a permanent immunity like the docs were able to do with Smallpox, Polio, et al.

if you listen what that doctor in the video is describing, he explains the difference. this is an airborne virus that has animal reservoirs while
small pox, and polio did not.... this is not the first doctor i've heard this from....

also why the common cold and other flues are not "curable"....

Fauci did not follow the science, he was blinded by money $$$. he sold us all out....

https://virus.stanford.edu/pox/history.html">https://virus.stanford.edu/pox/history.html

+ Eradication of Small Pox

By the 1900s, vaccination had reduced small pox to a minor threat in the United States and most of Europe. The last case of small pox in the U.S. occured in Texas in 1949. In 1958, the Russian delegate to the World Health Assembly made a formal proposal to eradicate small pox. The resolution was passed a year later, and one by one, countries around the world succeeded in eliminating the disease. With surveillance and containment, the deadly disease was eventually eradicated. The last case of small pox was reported in Bangladesh in 1975, and the last case of variola minor occured in Somalia in 1977. The WHO waited for two more years, then declared on October 26, 1977 that small pox had become the first disease ever to be eradicated.

What characteristics of small pox made its eradication possible?

    Short incubation period: The small pox virus has an incubation period of 10-14 days before symptoms appear. Because it is not infectious in the prodromal stage, containment and surveillance were possible. Vaccination alone would not have been sufficient to eradicate the disease.

    No animal reservoir: Because small pox only infects humans, the WHO knew that once the virus had been eliminated from human populations, it had been completely eradicated. There is no danger of humans being infected again by some animal carrier. This is not the case for many other human viruses, which have animal/insect vectors and/or carriers.

    High morbidity and mortality: Small pox was described as "the most terrible of all the ministers of death" by the historian Macaulay. It had a high case fatality rate, and survivors were left with permanent scars. To achieve international cooperation in eradicating a disease, it must be widespread and severe enough to be of worldwide concern.

    Clinically apparent disease: Small pox is considered an unusual virus in that every infection causes apparent symptoms. This also helped make surveillance and containment possible. This would have been impossible if there were asymptomatic carriers of the virus spreading infection to others.

    Mode of transmission: Although small pox is considered highly contagious, it is most commonly spread by person-to-person contact, which makes the spread of disease relatively slow.

    An effective vaccine: Just one dose of the small pox vaccine produced life-long immunity in almost all recipients. Subsequent shots or boosters were rarely needed. There were few potential side effects, and the risk of complications from vaccination was much smaller than the risk of infection without vaccination. Furthermore, the vaccine was stable and could be transported to remote regions of the world, including tropical areas, without refrigeration. Finally, the small pox vaccine could be delivered with a bifurcated needle, with a minimum amount of training. Vaccines which require injection with syringes would be far too expensive and difficult to administer in less developed areas of the world. (See The Small Pox Vaccine for information about the development of the vaccine.)

    Social and economic factors: One of the most crucial factors of any campaign is sufficient funding. Although finances were lacking in third world countries, the more developed nations in the world supplied the necessary funding. It was economically advantageous for the wealthier countries to do this, since the cost of vaccination was much less than the cost of drugs and treatment. And once the disease had been eradicated, vaccines would no longer be needed either. The campaign was not without its difficulties, however, as small pox was considered a normal part of life in some cultures, while others believed in small pox deities. Furthermore, other countries, such as Nigeria and Bangladesh, were engaged in civil wars and had other concerns besides eradicating small pox. To cultivate social support for eradication, the WHO offered financial rewards for reporting cases of small pox, and the reward was increased as the number of cases decreased.

Can other viral diseases be eradicated as well? Currently, the two main candidates for eradication are measles and poliomyelitis. Both viruses, like small pox, lack an animal reservoir and have high morbidity and mortality rates. Effective vaccines have been developed for both diseases, although polio may require multiple doses. Surveillance and containment, however, may be impossible because individuals infected by either virus can spread infection to others before symptoms appear.

[Tim Johnson]

It sure doesn't appear to be like the good old days when you kill a bunch of virus and shoot it up to develop a permanent immunity like the docs were able to do with Smallpox, Polio, et al.

Smallpox and polio vaccines were the work of generations
Covid  is less than a year and a half old.... and it mutates
The covid they developed the vaccine for last year is not the covid making people sick today.
It is possible the Chinese have unleashed something that will never be brought under control

Covid has been around at least as long as humans. This current Covid virus was intentionally weaponized.

[HTM01]

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-stu ... nated.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

 masks are ineffective, this is nothing more than controlling the people.


disclaimer imho

when you talk you spit,
so how can preventing you from spitting on people be ineffective

[Shazam/TPP]

when you talk you spit,
so how can preventing you from spitting on people be ineffective

may as well stop breathing then too, keep your distance that's the only thing that will work... masks have been proven not to work if you're willing to actually follow the science....

[MIL-TFP-41]

I remember on the old forum, when this thing first started I said something to the effect of "this is never going to go away, it will always be with us".
I'm willing to bet in a few years they will have a double alpha delta lambda variant. Its what virus's are good at. Unless you can simultaneously vax everyone on the planet at once, it will be with us.

IMO, all of these vast resources that are being thrown at the jab would much better be spent on treatment of the disease. We are not never to stop it, might as well learn how to live with it.

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seems some with a lot more letters in front of their name than mine agree with it not going away

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mythical-covid-jab-result-herd-immunity-warns-top-vaccine-boss-160028483.html">https://www.yahoo.com/news/mythical-cov ... 28483.html">https://www.yahoo.com/news/mythical-covid-jab-result-herd-immunity-warns-top-vaccine-boss-160028483.html

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[Del.]

I'd like to see a different verification of that Massachusetts report.

[Incogneeto]

I'd like to see a different verification of that Massachusetts report.

I didn't even know you could spell Massachusetts

Is your wife typing the big words for you? :w00t:

[ghuns]

Johns Hopkins Study Found Zero COVID Deaths Among Healthy Kids
https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/21/johns-hopkins-study-found-zero-covid-deaths-among-healthy-kids/">//https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/21/johns-hopkins-study-found-zero-covid-deaths-among-healthy-kids/

A team of Johns Hopkins researchers recently reported that when studying a group of about 48,000 children, they found zero COVID deaths among healthy kids

ZERO... NADA... NONE.

So, if natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity, which it appears to be in most studies. If healthy children face ZERO risk of death, why not let them get it instead of injecting them with a vaccine to has far less than zero possible side effects and doesn't prevent them from getting it in the first place?

The motives of anyone pushing this vaccine for kids should be seriously questioned.

[Shazam/TPP]

^^^ you're looking at the wrong science, follow the Fauci science, you must follow the Fauci science..... is it working yet? no?
one more time
follow the Fauci science, you must follow the Fauci science......

[ghuns]

^^^ you're looking at the wrong science, follow the Fauci science, you must follow the Fauci science..... is it working yet? no?
one more time
follow the Fauci science, you must follow the Fauci science......

Follow the only guy who's wrong more than Reko? Uh, no.

[HTM01]

when you talk you spit,
so how can preventing you from spitting on people be ineffective

may as well stop breathing then too, keep your distance that's the only thing that will work... masks have been proven not to work if you're willing to actually follow the science....

right ok, so drs and nurses wear them in the hospital all these years because they don't want you to identify their faces

[Incogneeto]

when you talk you spit,
so how can preventing you from spitting on people be ineffective

may as well stop breathing then too, keep your distance that's the only thing that will work... masks have been proven not to work if you're willing to actually follow the science....

right ok, so drs and nurses wear them in the hospital all these years because they don't want you to identify their faces

You do know the difference between an N95 mask and your sisters underwear right??

[Jon@NOWHERE]

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Thoughts?