Florida Republicans worried about 2022 as they crafted election law

[crazy^millman]

[quote="Tim Johnson" post_id=16090 time=1632398635 user_id=68]

[quote="Tim Johnson" post_id=16084 time=1632345478 user_id=68]
Nationwide, there were 15 million mail in ballots that are unaccounted for.
That is not proof of fraud, or even the implication of fraud.. but it is unacceptable
for that many ballots to be unaccounted for.

Two of those mail in ballots were shredded and thrown away by me. My wife and I didn't request them and my wife isn't registered to vote for fear of being put on a jury.

California if you have a Drivers License you can be called for Jury Duty if you're a registered voter or not.
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My wife doesn't have a driver's license. She has schizophrenia and mild dementia.
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If she were ever called she can list here medial reasons for not going and she would be excused. Sorry we forgot about your wife condition. Take care of her and yourself that is what is most important.

[CNCAppsJames]

I believe mail in ballots

should only be allowed for medical reasons... or military personnel serving out of state.

I have to disagree. With my job, if in person voting was the only option available, I would only be able to vote maybe about 25% of the time unless they allow me to vote out of state or in other places besides my precinct of residency. Sometimes I can move my schedule around, but usually I cannot. If I were always home/in region, that would be one thing but that is usually not the case. I know by law my company must give me time to vote, but it's not MY company that would not be happy, it would be my customers.

JM2CFWIW

[CNCAppsJames]

I'll frame the question this way - If Politico ran a story and had text messages and emails showing Democrats saying that they can't allow a specific type of voting because it gives Republicans the edge in the 2022 elections, what would your reaction be?

Meh, the key words are "type of voting". They didn't say type of voter. I take it that the Republicans mean unrestricted mail-in-voting that has been shown to be full of fraud. Unless there is specific texts that specifically call out a demographic or other, it is just more dems playing the race card to stop real voter ID and integrity laws from being passed. Every Voter ID or other measures are proposed the dems get in front of every camera and cry racism, even though when polled the majority of people, including people of color, support voter ID laws.

That was how I took what was done. "Type of votING", not "Type of votER". There is a MASSIVE difference in those few letters. The leftist pile of bovine excrement that wrote that bird cage liner framed it exactly that way. Unless someone can show me where a somebody said "...We can't let these (insert RACE [or racial epithet] here) vote...") then really the article was written to intentionally decieve the reader, push a false narrative  and #FishOn.

JM2CFWIW

[beej]

Jeff Bezos, was in favor of mail-in ballots when Biden was running for president, but he was against them when one of his plants was voting to unionize.  Let that sink in.

[neurosis]

then really the article was written to intentionally decieve the reader

The article was pretty specific. The claim is, that they're admitting, although not publicly, that this new law has little to do with democracy or preventing electoral fraud and everything to do with gaining an edge (or at least decrease the Democrats edge) at the ballot box. That is, if you believe that Politico did in fact under the freedom of information act, request and receive these emails and texts.

The article never mentions voter suppression, although I think that given the context and knowing who the voter base is and how they vote, it might be implied?  Or could be taken that way by the reader depending on who they are?

I didn't expect a much favor for this article in a room full of republicans. As an independent, I find their intent troubling if the article is true.     The most honest answers came from G and Crazy.  To paraphrase, the Dems are guilty of this sort of crap too so who cares. Sans the who cares aspect of it, they're right.  

I'm not sure that we'll ever regain the trust in our elections.  I can't think of the last time an election was won that one side or the other didn't claim it to be stolen by the other side.

[gcode]

I can't think of the last time an election was won that one side or the other didn't claim it to be stolen by the other side.

The first election I have memory of was Kennedy/Nixon in '62
I remember my grandmother nearly stroking out when Kennedy, a Roman Catholic won in a sqeaker.
59 years later it is accepted fact that Mayor Daley and his Chicago Machine stole Chicago/Illinois/the Presidency
for Kennedy.

[CNCAppsJames]

then really the article was written to intentionally decieve the reader

The article was pretty specific. The claim is, that they're admitting, although not publicly, that this new law has little to do with democracy or preventing electoral fraud and everything to do with gaining an edge (or at least decrease the Democrats edge) at the ballot box. That is, if you believe that Politico did in fact under the freedom of information act, request and receive these emails and texts.

Since they did not publish the entirety of what they were allegedly given, it would be fair to paint me as suspicious. The news media propagandists have been getting away with printing lies, distortions, out of context quotations for decades with little to no consequence. The upside to printing a lie? Paint the enemy in the most negative light possible. The downside? They may (less than 1% chance of it happening) have to print a retraction in 4pt font that NOBODY will ever see... FTMFW! Talk about a win/win for their team. My gosh. The only way it could get any better is if they found a dead body in somebody's vehicle submereged. Oh wait. That happend and he was rewarded with decades in congress. Nevermind. Bad example.

[CNCAppsJames]

[size=200]Jeff Bezos, was in favor of mail-in ballots when Biden was running for president, but he was against them when one of his plants was voting to unionize.  Let that sink in.[/size]

Let that sink in a little deeper this time for you stoners at the back of the class.

[gcode]

The most honest answers came from G and Crazy. To paraphrase, the Dems are guilty of this sort of crap too so who cares.

I do care... a lot.. but if your enemy is fighting dirty and kicking your ass, you must fight dirty back.

Seeing the a corrupt IRS, FBI, NSA and DOJ doing the bidding of the Democratic Party and scumbag RHINO's
to impede Bush and destroy Trump has been one of the most disheartening events of my lifetime

[beej]

I am skeptical of most new stories coming out, right now, about Florida.  through the entire pandemic there has been one negavtive news story after another about how bad Florida is doing during the pandemic. At the same time there were all of these media people saying "thank God for Cuomo."  In the end Florida looked a lot better than NY. But you would never have known it.  In news these days there is always a slant.  I asked a friend of mine that rubs noses with a lot of people in politics what was up with all the negativity about Florida. Desantis wasn't running at the time, and he said, the media is already thinking about 2024.  He told me soon you will start seeing stories saying Desantis is worse than Trump.  1 month later...

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/why-ron-desantis-more-dangerous-trump-n1276142">https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/why-ron-d ... p-n1276142">https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/why-ron-desantis-more-dangerous-trump-n1276142

remember this story. it wasn't that long ago.  
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/04/07/60-minutes-hit-job-ron-desantis-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-journalism-today/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ism-today/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/04/07/60-minutes-hit-job-ron-desantis-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-journalism-today/
the question you have to ask is WHY did they run the story like they did?  It's not like they made a mistake. Desantis gave them a pretty good response, that they could have checked out. This was 60 Minutes for crying out loud!  They want to take Desantis down. WHY?  is it because he saved lives of the elderly by keeping sick covid patience out of nursing homes? Is it because he managed to keep his state mostly open for business during covid while at the same time keeping numbers less than many liberal states?  No, it's because his success, even though it IS a success, is bad for the party that they claim to be completely neutral on.  But if they were indeed neutral, they would say "look at what this man has done. we should learn from this even if he has only stumbled into it luckily."  But they can't do that because his success could be damaging to the Democrats, and they are in fact, pulling for the Democrats. If you can prove any of what I have said, wrong I would be tickled pink.

[CNCAppsJames]

To win something, you can't match whatever your opponent is doing, you must EXCEED AND OVERCOME whatever your opponent is doing.

By and large, the Republicans at the RNC, and their various state affiliates are complete, total, top to bottom imbeciles. And I'm being kind. FAR more kind than I should be.

They LET their opponents define them. They LET their opponents define their positions. They LET their opponents lie about them. They LET every single negative thing happen to them. Every. Single. Election. It's a miracle they win any elections honestly. Thankfully the majority of Republican voters aren't as big of idiots as their so-called leaders. If the Republican politicians could articulate a position, a Democrat would never win another election.

Republican politicians hold their (potential) constituents in too high of regard IMO. The majority of Americans can't think through even a simple 1st order consequence let alone a 2nd 3rd or complex 4th order consequence. I get it, I'm not down for paralysis by analysis because a good 80% plan executed quickly is better than a perfect plan executed too late.

Republicans need to articulate their positions BEFORE their opponents can lie about them. Republicans need to go back to the basics and explain Econ 101 to the American people, because right now, #FreeShit is winning and America is losing.

Go back and explain the constitution and the framer's intent and that it's NOT "a living document".

Go back and explain each branch of the government's responsibilities and why Executive Orders (even the ones they like) are steaming piles of bovine excrement and should be abolished. They should only be used in cases of DECLARED national emergencies and should only be active long enough for the Legislative Branch to DO IT'S JOB! (90 days max).

Explain to the American people why judges legislating from the bench (even when they agree with the ruling) is BAD. I could go on and on, and on why the RNC and it's affiliates are shit birds but it would just be a total waste of time honestly.

You don't have to agree with my positions. My positions come from the US Constitution, the Federalist Papers, and the Founding Father's personal writings and opinions. That's my foundation period. End of story. If you don't like my position on something, tell me where in the constitution, federalist papers, or founding documents your position is better and I'll change my mind.

#FreeShit is winning people and regardless of your political persuasion we should ALL be concerned.

[rdshear]

Republicans need to articulate their positions BEFORE their opponents can lie about them.

I totally agree with this, the biggest problem I see is the Republicans are not given the platform to articulate those positions.  The media that the sheeple listen to will never give the platform to the Republican to speak.  Instead it will purposefully cut, paste, and take out of context anything it can to make the Republican look evil while bowing to the Democrats agenda.  I don't know what the answer is, but unless things change, the future for my granddaughter is worrisome to me.

[gcode]

Republicans need to articulate their positions BEFORE their opponents can lie about them.

It makes no difference. Spend an little time watching the evening news broadcasts on the 3 national networks.
You will think you are living in a alternate universe
Remember the 60 Minutes/Rathergate scandal
Forged documents that slandered GW Bush. They were known to be forged yet were presented to the American people
as gospel truth. They stuck to their guns even when the forgeries were proven, pronouncing them "fake but accurate"
There was never a retraction, apology or an admission that they were presenting outright lied as hard news.

Fast forward to 2016 and you have the national network news agencies working in conjunction with corrupt
goons from the DNC, FBI, NSA, IRS to fabricate a totally false narrative about Trump.
Once exposed, they spent 4 years covering up their crimes.
Even now, your average American believes the lies to be true.

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Republicans need to articulate their positions BEFORE their opponents can lie about them.

It makes no difference. Spend an little time watching the evening news broadcasts on the 3 national networks.
You will think you are living in a alternate universe
Remember the 60 Minutes/Rathergate scandal
Forged documents that slandered GW Bush. They were known to be forged yet were presented to the American people
as gospel truth. They stuck to their guns even when the forgeries were proven, pronouncing them "fake but accurate"
There was never a retraction, apology or an admission that they were presenting outright lied as hard news.

Fast forward to 2016 and you have the national network news agencies working in conjunction with corrupt
goons from the DNC, FBI, NSA, IRS to fabricate a totally false narrative about Trump.
Once exposed, they spent 4 years covering up their crimes.
Even now, your average American believes the lies to be true.

you could almost count the number of truthers by the number of unvaccinated, with some exceptions due to risk of course,
I would say the majority of the rest, believe what they hear on the news, especially when it comes to "science".

[CNCAppsJames]

There are ways to articulate your positions and get out your message that they are not using. THAT is what pisses me off the most about the situation. Media is in the bag for the left. 99% of it anyway. Guys like Dan Crenshaw (agree or disagree with him) seem to be able to navigate the challenges just fine. Why can't the rest follow suit?



There is very little "science" on TV. The majority don't have the attention span to take it in so we get sound bites.  :huh: