Interesting week ahead

Del. · January 03, 2021, 07:27 AM

With Cruz leading the way and contesting 6 states the 2020 election will be decided by the House.

John316 · January 03, 2021, 08:06 AM

I don't know what the odds are but there's still a lot going on and nobody's sang the last song yet

YoDoug · January 03, 2021, 08:32 AM

What I am not sure of is the exact process. I know if both a senator and a Congressional member object to a states electoral votes, then it goes to a debate. What I don't understand is what happens from there. How does the debate get resolved, a vote? Does it need to be unanimous or simple majority. If it is just a simple majority there are a few too many rino senators, like Romney, that will throw Trump, the party, and 75 million voters under the bus. I am not feeling very optimistic about Wednesday. I do like that it will put a spot light on the rinos. I think that is why Romney, McConnel and co are out this week pushing against objections. They don't want to go on record as siding with the dems in sweeping the fraud under the rug. However, their big business Chinese handlers expect nothing less from them.

JParis · January 03, 2021, 08:39 AM

At the end of the day, they'll object, the respective bodies will debate for 2 hours and vote to accept or reject the objections....to reject it must be both bodies.

The reality is, this is still Kabuki theater that in the end will change nothing.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/blog/explaining-how-congress-settles-electoral-college-disputes">https://constitutioncenter.org/interact ... e-disputes">https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/blog/explaining-how-congress-settles-electoral-college-disputes

John316 · January 03, 2021, 09:32 AM

Quote from: JParis post_id=1625 time=1609691960 user_id=139At the end of the day, they'll object, the respective bodies will debate for 2 hours and vote to accept or reject the objections....to reject it must be both bodies.

The reality is, this is still Kabuki theater that in the end will change nothing.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/blog/explaining-how-congress-settles-electoral-college-disputes">https://constitutioncenter.org/interact ... e-disputes">https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/blog/explaining-how-congress-settles-electoral-college-disputes

This from JParis' link:
"Objections to individual state returns must be made in writing by at least one Member each of the Senate and House of Representatives. If an objection meets these requirements, the joint session recesses and the two houses separate and debate the question in their respective chambers for a maximum of two hours," the CRS said. "The two houses then vote separately to accept or reject the objection. They then reassemble in joint session, and announce the results of their respective votes. An objection to a state's electoral vote must be approved by both houses in order for any contested votes to be excluded."

So by this account they're talking about excluding the objected votes from the overall count. Each chamber meets separately for a vote to approve or reject the objection with both chambers needing a majority vote to reject those electors. With the House being a Democrat majority who are pretty unanimous on their anti-Trump position I would be very surprised if they voted to approve the objections.
The Senate is a toss up but would be irrelevant if the House rejects the objections since both chambers need to approve the objections.

Jim at Gentex · January 04, 2021, 07:25 AM

Yup.
One Senator and one Representative can object, which triggers a 2 hour debate in each chamber, where the objecting members state their case as to why they believe results should be rejected.
After the 2 hour debate, a vote is taken on whether to accept or reject the contested electoral results.
Both houses must agree by simple majority to discard the contested results, which we all know ain't gonna happen in the House, period.
So that issue is DOA before the vote is even taken.

Rep. Gohmert brought up an interesting argument that the vote after the debate should follow the same Constitutional format as if nobody achieved a majority of the electoral votes, and it went to the House to be decided by 1 vote PER STATE. That was an interesting approach, but the House doesn't have to accept it, and the SCOTUS has already slammed the door on any election rulings.

The ONLY purpose served at this point will be that if results are formally contested, the debates on the floor of each chamber will allow evidence to be formally presented and permanently logged into the Congressional Record as part of that debate proceeding.

But at the end of that dog & pony show, the results won't change, and Biden will be declared the winner.

YoDoug · January 04, 2021, 08:33 AM

[quote="Jim at gentex" post_id=1685 time=1609773901 user_id=83]
Yup.
One Senator and one Representative can object, which triggers a 2 hour debate in each chamber, where the objecting members state their case as to why they believe results should be rejected.
After the 2 hour debate, a vote is taken on whether to accept or reject the contested electoral results.
Both houses must agree by simple majority to discard the contested results, which we all know ain't gonna happen in the House, period.
So that issue is DOA before the vote is even taken.

Rep. Gohmert brought up an interesting argument that the vote after the debate should follow the same Constitutional format as if nobody achieved a majority of the electoral votes, and it went to the House to be decided by 1 vote PER STATE. That was an interesting approach, but the House doesn't have to accept it, and the SCOTUS has already slammed the door on any election rulings.

The ONLY purpose served at this point will be that if results are formally contested, the debates on the floor of each chamber will allow evidence to be formally presented and permanently logged into the Congressional Record as part of that debate proceeding.

But at the end of that dog & pony show, the results won't change, and Biden will be declared the winner.
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It also forces rinos like Romney and McConnel to have to go on record opposing the will of 75 million Trump voters.

gcode · January 04, 2021, 08:36 AM

QuoteIt also forces rinos like Romney and McConnel to have to go on record opposing the will of 75 million Trump voters.

yes.. the Republican primaries in 2022 are going to be brutal.
There are a lot of very angry people out there

YoDoug · January 04, 2021, 08:43 AM

Quote from: gcode post_id=1697 time=1609778218 user_id=60
QuoteIt also forces rinos like Romney and McConnel to have to go on record opposing the will of 75 million Trump voters.

yes.. the Republican primaries in 2022 are going to be brutal.
There are a lot of very angry people out there

But will it even matter? If the Dems are allowed to mail-in-steal an election it really doesn't matter who the other choices are.

Smit · January 04, 2021, 08:45 AM

Quote from: YoDoug post_id=1695 time=1609778021 user_id=58It also forces rinos like Romney and McConnel to have to go on record opposing the will of 75 million Trump voters.

I don't think this is correct. I can't believe all Trump voters, 75 million people, want to destroy the integrity of our nation by discarding the results of an election just to keep their orange God in power.

I can't put a number on how many people would be willing to do that and neither can you.

There are certainly more people who believe party uber alles than anybody would hope to exist but it's not 75 million.

YoDoug · January 04, 2021, 08:52 AM

Quote from: Smit post_id=1701 time=1609778718 user_id=66
Quote from: YoDoug post_id=1695 time=1609778021 user_id=58It also forces rinos like Romney and McConnel to have to go on record opposing the will of 75 million Trump voters.

I don't think this is correct. I can't believe all Trump voters, 75 million people, want to destroy the integrity of our nation by discarding the results of an election just to keep their orange God in power.

I can't put a number on how many people would be willing to do that and neither can you.

There are certainly more people who believe party uber alles than anybody would hope to exist but it's not 75 million.

The will of 75 million voters was to elect Trump. Biden cheated and fraudulently manufactured more votes. Every measure of every previous election in this country, from statistics to historical voting patterns, shows Biden cheated.

Matthew Hajicek · January 04, 2021, 09:41 AM

Quote from: YoDoug post_id=1703 time=1609779158 user_id=58The will of 75 million voters was to elect Trump. Biden cheated and fraudulently manufactured more votes. Every measure of every previous election in this country, from statistics to historical voting patterns, shows Biden cheated.

That is a lie. Trumps lawyers won't even say that in court, they only say that to the public for fundraising purposes.

pmartin · January 04, 2021, 09:58 AM

Quote from: YoDoug post_id=1700 time=1609778628 user_id=58
Quote from: gcode post_id=1697 time=1609778218 user_id=60
QuoteIt also forces rinos like Romney and McConnel to have to go on record opposing the will of 75 million Trump voters.

yes.. the Republican primaries in 2022 are going to be brutal.
There are a lot of very angry people out there

But will it even matter? If the Dems are allowed to mail-in-steal an election it really doesn't matter who the other choices are.

The primaries are going to be brutal when Trump runs for President next election cycle and starts throwing his most ardent supporters (Senators and Representatives) under the bus if they are foolish enough to toss their hat into the race for President.

I fully expect The Donald to hold his next rally before the end of January. The only question will be weather or not he charges admission.

YoDoug · January 04, 2021, 11:10 AM

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=1711 time=1609782071 user_id=57]

Quote from: YoDoug post_id=1703 time=1609779158 user_id=58The will of 75 million voters was to elect Trump. Biden cheated and fraudulently manufactured more votes. Every measure of every previous election in this country, from statistics to historical voting patterns, shows Biden cheated.

That is a lie. Trumps lawyers won't even say that in court, they only say that to the public for fundraising purposes.
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Trump winning all the bell weather counties that have called every race in the last 60 years is not a lie.
Trump winning more support from minorities than every other R presidency win is not a lie.
Biden only won a little over half of the counties Obama won, yet he somehow got 11 million more votes, is not a lie.
The total of Biden votes and trump votes exceeds registered voters, not a lie.

None of those are actual evidence of fraud, yet they make a pretty compelling case.

Trump lawyers have not presented any evidence in court as of yet. Every case been been thrown out before evidence is heard.

I have not heard one single person give a valid explanation of how Biden won that many votes and all the statistical anomalies that had to happen for him to get that many votes.

TylerBeer · January 04, 2021, 12:13 PM

Quote from: YoDoug post_id=1721 time=1609787406 user_id=58I have not heard one single person give a valid explanation of how Biden won that many votes and all the statistical anomalies that had to happen for him to get that many votes.

Easy. Trump was a flawed candidate and you refuse to accept that. Enough normal, non-conspiracy theorist republicans were sick of his BS, and more left leaning people really, really hated him. No-one who would vote for Bernie abstained out of protest like when Hillary was running.

I'm excited for 2024, it's looking like the republican party may face a split. Going to be a lot of presidential hopefuls that are going to parrot his rhetoric to try and capture his base for a run, and then there will be the regular business republicans.