Vax mandate published today

[CNCAppsJames]

"Published" and "Peer Reviewed" has lost it's luster as of late. One can only publish information that tows the preferred narrative. If it doesn't tow the preferred narrative, one's "peers" won't give it the time of day.

That's how "science" works today.

Are there more cardiac cases today? That stat should be easy to back up. Is the not-a-vax responsible if they are? I can think of at least a few other possible contributing causes in addition to that. I look at it like a plane crash. It is RARELY just one thing that brings a plane down. It's usually a series of cascading events. Sure there is usually one thing that tips the scale, but the other factors deserve attention as well.

JM2CFIW YMMV

[pmartin]

Ahh the old one-size-fits-all liberal media approach. Hundreds of reports of athletes having adverse effects so the lib media finds one case that wasn't true and deems them all false because of it. If you look at USA today, CNN, MSNBC "fact check" articles often USUALLY use this tactic.

Yep. They will torture the hell out of language in order to present their narrative as fact. They will completely dismiss a fact based whatever criteria they need at the moment, often contradicting themselves in the process, and they'll torture some more lanuage while they are at it.

Cudos James!

Pretty ballsy of you using the term " torture the hell out of language"

[YoDoug]

I'll state this again. I'm not against the vaccines. I'm against the forcing everyone to get vaccinated stance. There are a lot of people that the small risks from the vaccine are far outweighed by the risks of severe Covid. They should take the vaccines. However, for a lot of groups, especially young men and boys, the risks from the vaccine are greater than the risk of severe Covid.

Also, we know the vaccines are failing over time. In MN this year 20% of cases were in fully vaccinated people. The last two months has been over 40% with some weeks being as high as 60%. At this point forcing everyone to get vaccinated won't stop Covid. If we look back to the H1N1 outbreak of 2009, we didn't force vaccinate everyone and it passed in time. However it is still out there as a virus. There are still cases happening, even during Covid. Covid is here to stay. It will mostly likely mutate to be more infectious but less severe as most viruses do over time. Since the vaccines are failing the focus needs to be on therapeutics, specifically early treatment. Look at India. Go to  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries">https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries and compare daily infections in India to America. They are doing far better than us. Less that 25% of people in India are fully vaccinated yet they have basically beaten Covid. They are doing it by focusing on treatment versus vaccination. We have a far superior healthcare system and can roll out treatments like monoclonal antibodies on a wide scale, yet all we hear is vax, vax, vax. It is not about beating Covid, it's about dollars for big pharma and donations and power for Dem politicians.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

In MN this year 20% of cases were in fully vaccinated people. The last two months has been over 40% with some weeks being as high as 60%. At this point forcing everyone to get vaccinated won't stop Covid.

Official covid data for Ohio (from JAN. 1, 2021): 95% of deaths and hospitalizations were from people not fully vaccinated.

(Good post, btw, Doug)

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

So yes, good point Doug. Well said.

What my stats are showing is while vaccines may not (are not?) as effective for stopping infections as once thought, the symptoms once infected are less severe. (Ohio data pretty much confirms that)

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

And those 5% who do get hospitalized and/or die? Plastered all over social media. The "I told you so!" crowd out in full force, distorting and twisting the facts to fit their agendas.

Where in reality, the Ohio data is showing the vaccines being very effective. They are doing their job. Not perfect but no vaccine is perfect.

[mayday]

Maybe this has been brought up already (no time to read)
as the vac rate goes up, so does the infection rate
I just flew Delta 3hr flight both ways, Detroit to Austin and back
no real serious keep your mask on at all. I had mine hanging off 1 ear the whole way.
no fights either, WTF, people were nice I had 3 seats to myself, maybe cause I stink  :w00t:

[byte]

no real serious keep your mask on at all. I had mine hanging off 1 ear the whole way.

reported!!!  

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

Maybe this has been brought up already (no time to read)
as the vac rate goes up, so does the infection rate

Cases rising from mid July on. Slowed down a lot from mid Feb. to mid July. This corresponds with the arrival of the more contagious Delta variant. Also, perhaps the easing of mask mandates may be playing a role. Not a huge proponent of masks, but why are cases falling sharply in Japan? What are they doing differently? (they did have a big spike up in Sept., cases and deaths now extremely low there. They always wear masks, part of their culture now). In Ohio, masks are optional and most don't wear them. Maybe that contributes to the rise in cases since Delta is very contagious.

Glad your flight went smoothly..

[CNCAppsJames]

Let me zee your papers is right around the corner.

Oh, and if people wondered if what was done to the Jews in WWII could be done again to other people, say people refusing their jab, ... That answer is clear as day; YES! They may not put us in ovens, but rest assured, there is a healthy percentage of authoritarians that want people like me (that aren't buying their crap) dead and/or gone.

What medications one should take are decisions best made between an individual that their physician, NOT some government piece of garbage or worse, a bureaucrat.

[YoDoug]

Maybe this has been brought up already (no time to read)
as the vac rate goes up, so does the infection rate

Cases rising from mid July on. Slowed down a lot from mid Feb. to mid July. This corresponds with the arrival of the more contagious Delta variant. Also, perhaps the easing of mask mandates may be playing a role. Not a huge proponent of masks, but why are cases falling sharply in Japan? What are they doing differently? (they did have a big spike up in Sept., cases and deaths now extremely low there. They always wear masks, part of their culture now). In Ohio, masks are optional and most don't wear them. Maybe that contributes to the rise in cases since Delta is very contagious.

Glad your flight went smoothly..

Again compare India to the US. If the vax is working so well then why is India not seeing the same case spikes every three to six months like the US? Wealthy countries that can afford the vax are focused on that as the only solution and are still seeing regular case spikes, poor countries like India have moved on to other treatments and are doing much better.

As far as Japan many experts are baffled as to why cases are falling. However one point that is being made is that Japan started rolling out vaccines much later than the western countries did because they were testing them more. Then when they did roll them out they had a very fast climb to 65%+ vaccinated. This was also closer to when the Delta variant became the dominant variant. From what we are seeing, the vaccines are time sensitive. They have the most efficacy from a few weeks to a few months. After that they start wane. Japan may just possibly be behind the curve of waning effectiveness.

[YoDoug]

Let me zee your papers is right around the corner.

Oh, and if people wondered if what was done to the Jews in WWII could be done again to other people, say people refusing their jab, ... That answer is clear as day; YES! They may not put us in ovens, but rest assured, there is a healthy percentage of authoritarians that want people like me (that aren't buying their crap) dead and/or gone.

What medications one should take are decisions best made between an individual that their physician, NOT some government piece of garbage or worse, a bureaucrat.

They are putting people in camps in Australia. There are millions of Covid scared CNN/MSNBC/etc viewers out there that would be perfectly fine if the same thing happened here. I have no doubt that in the future we will look back on 2020/2021 as either the period that freedom and liberty died or the period that free people rose up to stop tyranny and the socialist, globalist takeover. I'm afraid that the future will be a globalist oligarchy where governments are merely pawns used by the .1% wealth of the world to control the people.

[YoDoug]

Next month, Pfizer will say 4 will be better then 3.....

Not only that, each new variant will mean a new round of vax plus annual boosters or more.

[YoDoug]

For Dan, you say The vax is working well in Ohio. Here are two graphs. the first is daily deaths for MN and Ohio. The second is vax rates by state. MN is almost 10% higher Vax rate than Ohio, yet our deaths are spiking compared to Ohio. Why doesn't the vax work as well here then?

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=sgp&areas=usa&areas=ind&areasRegional=usmn&areasRegional=usoh&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-09-01&values=deaths">https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?ar ... ues=deaths">https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=sgp&areas=usa&areas=ind&areasRegional=usmn&areasRegional=usoh&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-09-01&values=deaths

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/minnesota">https://usafacts.org/visualizations/cov ... /minnesota">https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/minnesota

[Del.]

It's possible the treatment of patients is different.

My SIL has Covid. Some reason the doctor prescribed antibiotics. They don't work on a virus.