Where the hell were the police?

[CNCAppsJames]

This little buried nugget that got a passing mention in one of the media outlets;

There were also multiple conflicting reports regarding whether officers confronted Ramos at the school's entrance.

As usual, people want "a" story instead of the "right" story. What a fucking shitshow, top to bottom, start to finish.

[CNCAppsJames]

That doesn't mean that this is a trend? Hopefully.  Next year it could easily go back to vehicles.

When looking at "trends", one thing to keep in mind is that a trend can be looked at from any number of near infinite angles and causation is almost never part of that analytical process. So, let's take "Firearms related deaths for 0-19 year olds.". The media and politicians say "guns" are the problem. Ok. I contend "guns" are merely the tool for said deaths.

Once cannot responsibly say that "guns" are "THE" problem unless mental health, gang affiliation (or not), the legal/justice  system, etc... have been factored into the equation. That's my whole point. Yeah we can go paralysis by analysis, however, there are things FAR more deadly and dangerous for us than firearms but they are either not spoken of (doctors killing patients) or the dfeaths are spli tup amongst differeing categories in order to shield the true cause.

Yeah, I'm cynnical as hell about death rates. There's agendas out there and they are not afraid to use them.

[mkd]

Cops attack parents of the slaughtered=Bad
unbelievably bad
tyranny

[neurosis]

Yea, I'm not pointing any fingers at the causation.  Or suggesting a solution.  Just wondering if the statistic is true and if it is, its really sad.

[Jeff]

Answer: funding
The bureaucracy must be fed

True,the gun lobby is only something like $15 million while pharmaceuticals is almost $400 million.
If the gun lobby was $400 million we would never ever see politicians talk about taking our guns.

[CNCAppsJames]

Yea, I'm not pointing any fingers at the causation.  Or suggesting a solution.  Just wondering if the statistic is true and if it is, its really sad.

Based on the CDC data I was looking at firearms aren't even in the top 5 causes of "Unintentional Injuries" in ages 1-44...

[CNCAppsJames]

True,the gun lobby is only something like $15 million while pharmaceuticals is almost $400 million.
If the gun lobby was $400 million we would never ever see politicians talk about taking our guns.

BINGO!

Pharmaceutical lobby and Union lobby... the gun lobby can't even hold a candle to those.

[Tim Johnson]

Can anyone tell me if this statistic is actually true?

Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america

Apparently we're not counting abortion?

[CNCAppsJames]

Apparently we're not counting abortion?

Is that considered black of black crime? Asking for Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder and Ben Carson.

[neurosis]

Apparently we're not counting abortion?

Dont get me started on that one. You really want to go down that rabbit hole? 

[Tim Johnson]

Dont get me started on that one. You really want to go down that rabbit hole? 

It is one process that's guarantied to be higher rate than gun deaths. To be fair though if the Supreme court does kill the Roe vs Wade decision it will then be up to each individual State to decide how to treat abortion. That's what Roe vs Wade should have been in the first place. There will be plenty States where it will be legal.

[DUM1]

it gets worse

[neurosis]

It is one process that's guarantied to be higher rate than gun deaths. To be fair though if the Supreme court does kill the Roe vs Wade decision it will then be up to each individual State to decide how to treat abortion. That's what Roe vs Wade should have been in the first place. There will be plenty States where it will be legal.

You're absolutely right.  I think that this could cause shift in who people vote for however.  It' a pretty high percentage of people who think that abortion should be allowed in the first trimester. 

This is a fucked up hill to die on.  I have a feeling that it's going to be eclipsed by the economy now, but this is going to be a huge issue going forward.

Red states are turning it up to ridiculous levels and that's not going to sit well. 

How did our politicians get so fuckin stupid.

[CNCAppsJames]

Michael Dorn, executive director of Safe Havens International, which works to make schools safer, cautioned that it's hard to get a clear understanding of the facts soon after a shooting.

The information we have a couple of weeks after an event is usually quite different than what we get in the first day or two. And even that is usually quite inaccurate. For catastrophic events, you're usually eight to 12 months out before you really have a decent picture.

Please by all means give me bad information right now so I can get all worked up.

[CNCAppsJames]

Red states are turning it up to ridiculous levels...

How did our politicians get so fuckin stupid.

I think the Pro-Death crowd actually took it to absurd levels and the Pro-Life crowd responded in kind.

Most of the legislation I've seen (from the few states with current pending legislation) leaves abortion legal for legitimate purposes. Basically it's becoming outlawed as a form of birth control, which face it, no matter how you view the statistics on this issue, the VAST majority (90+%) of abortions ARE for that reason and that reason alone.

When the question is asked "Do you support abortion on demand for any reason?" The majority of people do not. When the question is posed with some qualifiers (i.e. life of the mother is in danger, rape, incest, etc...) that is where the percentages skew the other way. THAT is NOT how the statistics are being presented most of the time. Because... it doesn't fit the narrative.