2000 Mules

[mkd]

pretty good summary of the current state of affair in the state

[mkd]

It's also curious how FOX news called the Arizona vote just as the counting started AND have a media blackout on anything related to 2000 Mules. Corporate media will do what they want. At least NPR/PBS is on the people's side :wink:
 

[Jim at Gentex]

I saw the documentary and it is troubling to say the least.

Truethevote.org claims that all of the data presented in the documentary was acquired from public resources through FOIA requests, and / or purchased from telecommunication carriers like Verizon, AT&T, etc.

Here's the linky to their website for anyone interested in who they are and what they do...
https://www.truethevote.org/

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

[Incogneeto]

I saw the documentary and it is troubling to say the least.

Truethevote.org claims that all of the data presented in the documentary was acquired from public resources through FOIA requests, and / or purchased from telecommunication carriers like Verizon, AT&T, etc.

Here's the linky to their website for anyone interested in who they are and what they do...
https://www.truethevote.org/

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

Voters have a short memory, and Politicians know it.

[CNCAppsJames]

The majority of Voters have a short memory are idiots and Politicians know it.

Free fiss.

[beej]

I just listened to Bill Barr on Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson (Hoover Institute).

Bill Barr seems like a straight shooter, tells it like he sees it. He says had it not been for Covid, Trump would have sailed through the election pretty easily.  but advisors realized quickly what was going to happen. They advised Trump that Democrats were going to try and get voting laws changed so that they could upend the election. They advised him to put $30 million in escrow and go out and get the best legal team money could buy to keep them from doing it. He decided against it. He decided to let Rudy be in charge of his legal team and let state GOP fight against it themselves. Barr said it was hap-hazzard at best, and it's ultimately why he lost.  after the election his law team looked like a clown show and there were good lawyers who could have made a difference but wouldn't touch that clown show with a 10 foot pole.

[YoDoug]

They advised Trump that Democrats were going to try and get voting laws changed so that they could upend the election.

So is that double speak from Barr? He has said many times there was no fraud, but that statement sounds like he is acknowledging they cheated through mail-in-voting.

[beej]

So is that double speak from Barr? He has said many times there was no fraud, but that statement sounds like he is acknowledging they cheated through mail-in-voting.

it's not double speak. he outlines 3 different ways or methods for a stolen election.
1 Fraud: change the votes that went to one candidate to another candidate. this was the Dominion machine claim. He said this never happened.

2 Illegal voting.  dead people voting, people voting multiple times, etc.  he said there is evidence that this happened but not to the extent that would change the outcome.

3 Using Legal Avenues and maneuvers.  changing voting laws to allow for ballot harvesting, lessening voting security, disregarding dates and election norms.

He said that if by stealing the election you mean 1 and 2. It didn't happen to any real extent. If you are talking using method 3. Yes it happened!! and Democrats were very strategic in the states that they used to get that done. and Trump advisors recognized it quickly and begged Trump to put a team in place to stop it, but he didn't do it. And it was bewildering to his team.

[YoDoug]

it's not double speak. he outlines 3 different ways or methods for a stolen election.
1 Fraud: change the votes that went to one candidate to another candidate. this was the Dominion machine claim. He said this never happened.

2 Illegal voting.  dead people voting, people voting multiple times, etc.  he said there is evidence that this happened but not to the extent that would change the outcome.

3 Using Legal Avenues and maneuvers.  changing voting laws to allow for ballot harvesting, lessening voting security, disregarding dates and election norms.

He said that if by stealing the election you mean 1 and 2. It didn't happen to any real extent. If you are talking using method 3. Yes it happened!! and Democrats were very strategic in the states that they used to get that done. and Trump advisors recognized it quickly and begged Trump to put a team in place to stop it, but he didn't do it. And it was bewildering to his team.

Except, #3 allowed them to insert hundreds of thousands of mail-in-votes that didn't have proper chain of custody and proper verification of request/authenticity. The work done by truethevote.org clearly shows they were fraudulent votes. Barr just won't admit that.

[neurosis]

Barr just won't admit that.

Why do you think that is? Do you think that he would rather see Biden as president? What would be Barrs motivation to lie if he actually felt like the election was stolen?

[Jeff]

Why do you think that is? Do you think that he would rather see Biden as president? What would be Barrs motivation to lie if he actually felt like the election was stolen?

The answer is most likely....money.

[gcode]

The answer is most likely....money.

It's the desire to remain employed
DC is a company town.
Lawyers who suggest that the election was not the safest, most secure, most honest election ever,
don't work anymore.

[beej]

The answer is most likely....money.

If Barr was money hungry he would have stayed with his law firm rather than take the AG job. he walked away from Millions because he believed that the DOJ, FBI, CIA had been politicized and corrupted. He has said, he would still vote for Trump over any democrat that get's nominated in 2024. So in that respect, it would have made sense for him to try and keep Biden from getting in there in the first place if he had evidence to prove the election was illegal.

[beej]

It's the desire to remain employed
DC is a company town.
Lawyers who suggest that the election was not the safest, most secure, most honest election ever,
don't work anymore.

that's not true, there are all kinds of conservative law firms that would hire Barr in a minute.

[YoDoug]

Why do you think that is? Do you think that he would rather see Biden as president? What would be Barrs motivation to lie if he actually felt like the election was stolen?

I think Barr is part of the RINO, Romney/Bush/Cheney, big gov part of the Republican party. Yes I believe he probably did want Biden over trump for a couple reasons. First, I think a lot of moderate, neverTrump R's didn't fathom that Biden would take such a hard left turn. I think they thought he would be more center left. Second, Trump has a very abrasive personality. I think there are quite a few entrenched R public servant lifer's that Trump probably pissed off enough that they thought they would rather handle 4 years of a presumed center left Biden. They anticipated winning back the house in the midterms, just like with Obama. This will gridlock gov and they can run their "show" trials and investigations just like J6 sham going on right now.


As far as lying about it, Barr needs to carry the water for his people. The neverTrumpers think once they get rid of Trump everything will go back to RINO business as usual. They believe that the movement Trump started will die with his political aspirations. Simultaneously they are trying to infiltrate the MAGA movement just like they did to the Tea Party movement in the early Obama presidency. People like Barr (swamp lifer's) think they need to stay on party point or risk being ousted with Trump. That is why Barr dismissed any claims of election fraud without any meaningful investigation. In their minds, it's their sandbox and Trump is just a mean bully kid that will be kicked out soon enough. They don't care what the R voters really want, just as long as they can say/convince them to vote red.

Besides, When you really get down to the polices that matter to the globalists (wars, taxes, tariffs, etc) there is not a lot of difference between R or D. They want their wars, big gov, cheap imports, no tariffs, etc. The same thing the dems want. They just want to be in control.