Police nation wide refusing to do their jobs, despite increased funding

[BrianP.]

Matt's articles are just hit pieces from far left publications. Huff Post and American Prospect so of course they are going to bash the police. I'm willing to bet that a high percentage of the cases that do not get solved are because of lack of cooperation in the communities.

[Smit]

I'm willing to bet that a high percentage of the cases that do not get solved are because of lack of cooperation in the communities.

I think you've touched on a really big problem. You call it lack of cooperation, which isn't wrong, but I'd also add a lack of trust is a significant cause of the lack of cooperation.

The relationship between the police and community is broken in many places. There is plenty of blame to share from both sides for that.

[beej]

I think you've touched on a really big problem. You call it lack of cooperation, which isn't wrong, but I'd also add a lack of trust is a significant cause of the lack of cooperation.

The relationship between the police and community is broken in many places. There is plenty of blame to share from both sides for that.

I agree and would just add that the media should also be included as co-conspirators in the broken relationship. Mostly because they seldom point to an unarmed white man shot by police on any national news outlet. But they talk about every single black person shot by police.  they use terminology such as, "Last year police shot 1000 people and blacks are killed at twice the rate of white people".  That leads you to believe unless you've spent the time studying that 333 white people were killed and 667 black people. but they are referring to "rate per million".  So the actual numbers look more like 750 white people vs 250 black people. But like I said, unless you study the numbers and pay attention to the math, it would be easily confused.  And they know what they are doing!

another thing, Latino's are considered white if they are aggressors and considered people of color if they are victims. George Zimmerman shot travon Martin. On the news, he is a white man, but he was born in Peru to a mother who was Afro-peruvian and a German father. If he had not killed Martin, say, he was running for congress instead. He would be considered latino or possibly black if that helped him win. The most extreme point of this is when talking about border agents. If a latino border agent is shown being harsh to an illegal immigrant, he will be portrayed as a white border agent abusing a latino. even though both of them are likely latino.

[Jim at Gentex]

I'm willing to bet that a high percentage of the cases that do not get solved are because of lack of cooperation in the communities.

Lack of trust of police is a definite factor, but I think fear of repercussion is more often the case.
Especially in neighborhoods where drug dealing leads to violence.
Nobody saw nuthin' because they don't want to be next.
Can't say I blame them either.

And yes, the media doesn't help when they are quick to sensationalize white on black violence, but black on black violence doesn't get a peep.   

[Incogneeto]

See Now???
 This whole page is conversation ,No attacks just views.

You guys keep this up I'm going to another forum.

Jus Sayin.....No Fun.

[neurosis]

Where is Reko and yank when you need them?

[beej]

Lack of trust of police is a definite factor, but I think fear of repercussion is more often the case.
Especially in neighborhoods where drug dealing leads to violence.
Nobody saw nuthin' because they don't want to be next.
Can't say I blame them either.

   

Yes! and while getting rid of Cash-only Bail may sound good and kind in practice it opens witnesses up to intimidation (or worse) not to testify.

[Matthew Hajicek]

What I meant is..

The police can arrest but if the Prosecutor refuses to bring charges, The police are left looking stoopid and Dumbfounded.

I realize your animosity to the police.

Maybe they just get tired of arresting the same person over and over.

Myself, I would walk in their shoes for a bit.

I am not addressing your personal views, Only what I see and hear.

The media has a view, and portrays a view that has proven to be less than honest.

And yes,it goes both ways.

Yes, you are correct, it's not just the police.  It's the entire law enforcement apparatus that's falling down on the job.  It grows, it consumes more money, it demands more powers, yet it does less and less of what it was created for.  Presently it exists to justify its existence and budget, nothing more.

[Matthew Hajicek]

The victim in my jury case got the justice she deserved.
You ask 'what good are they?"
I would wager this woman has a drastically different viewpoint than yours.

Crimes are not always easy to solve, and police can't be everywhere all the time, so maybe your expectations are too high.

I don't see you volunteering to go out on the street and do their job any better than they can either, so your opinion is noted.

Right, if one isn't doing a particular job, one cannot criticize that job.  That's why no one here has an opinion about anything but machining.

My expectations would be that they would keep doing the job at least as well as they were in the past, maybe even learn something and do it a little better.  Clearance rates are dropping rapidly, so something is changing.  Are criminals getting that much smarter and more resourceful, or are the cops and the rest of the law enforcement system slacking?

[neurosis]

 We certainly don't seem to have a problem with underpopulated prisons and jails.

They must be catching someone.

[BrianP.]

https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/06/08/boston-city-council-proposes-13m-cut-from-police-department-to-fund-other-initiatives/

The newly empowered City Council unanimously approved an amended $4 billion budget for the coming year — with changes including hacking $13.3 million out of the police budget and $1.2 million from fire — and now it's up to Mayor Michelle Wu to decide what to do with the amendments.

The council gave themselves a round of applause after passing the amended budget on Tuesday, using the body's referendum-granted powers to play a larger role in the process.

So much for the premise of original article that funding for police is not being cut. Narcissist actually patting themselves on the back.

[neurosis]

So much for the premise of original article that funding for police is not being cut. Narcissist actually patting themselves on the back.

The activists use this type of language in Seattle to justify their complaints that the SPD, even though they've had funds pulled, haven't actually been defunded. The budget moved funding that was no longer needed due to the mass police exodus from the SPD, and moved it to other areas.

Technically, I think that they are right?  The funding can be moved back with a new budget? Also, they are now offering incentives to lure in more Police so the argument is, that the funding has actually went up, and not down.

I don't pay enough attention to the "movement", so I haven't researched everything enough to talk about it other than out of ignorance.  I have read through some arguments on reddit when I get bored. The people who legitimately support the movement say that they've been misrepresented and that they're not looking to cripple the police force, but to move the unnecessary burdens from the police to actually allow them to do the jobs that they are supposed to be doing. Then there are the vocal dumb shits that use language like "boot licker", and "ACAB" and that nonsense, that just hate the police and want to see them eradicated. I don't know enough to know that I agree with the former, They have some good points. The latter, are mostly just a bunch of dip shit kids who are jumping on the band wagon du jour.

[Jim at Gentex]

Right, if one isn't doing a particular job, one cannot criticize that job.  That's why no one here has an opinion about anything but machining.

My expectations would be that they would keep doing the job at least as well as they were in the past, maybe even learn something and do it a little better.  Clearance rates are dropping rapidly, so something is changing.  Are criminals getting that much smarter and more resourceful, or are the cops and the rest of the law enforcement system slacking?

You seem to be long on criticism and short on solutions.
Are you advocating eliminating police departments altogether and relying on 'community policing'?
Because we know that doesn't work as evidenced by the disaster we saw in the 'CHOP zone' in Seattle.

No, criminals are not getting better, they are getting bolder, and becoming more enabled because of idiotic politicians like those Brian mentioned in Boston, and in places like Portland, San Fran, and Seattle.

Judges who let these repeat offenders get off again and again are also part of the problem.

Police departments are only about one third of the overall problem, but they are the ones who get bashed the most.

So yeah, reforming and further training police departments is a step in the right direction, but until some mayors, city councils, and judges stop actively working against them, NOTHING will change.

[ghuns]

I think a lot of cops have hit the, meh, why bother, wall.

Here locally, we had a 24 year old, with multiple previous convictions, kill another guy in broad daylight in a shopping mall.

DA gave him a sweet plea deal; 10 years in prison and then 10 years probation. With good behavior he'll be out in 8.5 years.

Dude will be back on the street at 32-33 years old. Barring a miraculous religious conversion, he'll likely be an even bigger threat to the community when he gets out.

[neurosis]

I think a lot of cops have hit the, meh, why bother, wall.

That's definitely a big problem here.  One guy got arrested like 17 times. They would pick him up just to watch him get released back on the street the next day. He would walk in to shops in Seattle and just blatantly steal things and walk out.

I don't blame them one bit for saying "fuck it".