Wage Wars

[mowens]

Spirit Aerosystems and Textron Aviation (Beech and Cessna) need workers. They've both had job fairs lately.

https://www.kake.com/story/47529888/spirit-aerosystems-answers-textron-aviation-with-pay-raise-of-its-own

[Shazam/TPP]

hey Mowens nice to hear from you, hope all is well..

[JParis]

I don't know if it's so "wage wars" as it is companies adjusting to this new reality.

This company realized as they were looking for machinists that their payscale didn't  align to where the current market is at, they urned around and re-did their payscales and also bumped up those that were now below the low end of the new scale. Several people that I am aware of, between their yearly increase and then just a short time later, they've had their pay go up a good deal.

A story suggesting a wage war "sounds" good but it is the reality of the day.

It's certainly not the 1st time these kinds of things have happened. If you are old enough to have lived through the 80's, when minimum wage was under $4/hr and places like McD's were offering $8.50/hr at that time this isn't new.

JM2C

[Shazam/TPP]

our companies has LTA and if we raise prices they go out to bid, since it's not our product, not as easy to raise prices..it's been a struggle to say the least..fuck covid!!

[YoDoug]

Next year when the economy goes into full recession and unemployment creeps up, all of these new hires at higher wages will be the first to get laid off.

[mowens]

It's not just machinists involved. It's everyone from deburr to rivet pounders to machinists on 9 axis mills. Both companies are trying to hire from a limited labor pool. There are referral bonuses offered for experienced sheet metal mechanics even.
So war may have been a bit strong but, at least in our little aviation sphere, there is fairly strong competition.

[mowens]

Next year when the economy goes into full recession and unemployment creeps up, all of these new hires at higher wages will be the first to get laid off.

The raises are for existing employees as well as new hires.

But, layoffs have always been part of aviation life here. When I was growing up my dad worked at Boeing, which is now Spirit. Layoffs were just a part of life. However, general aviation (Beech, Cessna and Learjet) and commercial aviation, Boeing, seemed to operate on opposite cycles. My dad would get laid off from Boeing and get hired at Cessna. Cessna would slow down about the time Boeing picked up and he would get called back to Boeing. That continued with me until I got into programming.

[gcode]

We've been on a hiring binge lately
Normally we have a difficult time competing for good machinists as we can't (won't??)
match the wages of the big shops in the LA Metro Area.
Super high gas prices have changed that.
When you add $200 to $300 a week in gas to commute to the city our wages are now very competitive
I'll bet we've stolen a half dozen pretty good hands from Spacex alone in the last couple of months

[Tim Johnson]

It's not just machinists involved. It's everyone from deburr to rivet pounders to machinists on 9 axis mills. Both companies are trying to hire from a limited labor pool. There are referral bonuses offered for experienced sheet metal mechanics even.
So war may have been a bit strong but, at least in our little aviation sphere, there is fairly strong competition.

We're looking for 2nd shift sheet metal people also.
 
 Sheet Metal Fabricator I
Schedule:
2nd Shift, 3:15pm - 3:45am, Monday – Wednesday, 3:15pm – 3:15 am Thursdays, Overtime will be scheduled as needed.
Position Summary:
The Sheet Metal Fabricator-I is responsible for a variety of shop related duties involving the fabrication of sheet metal parts used in production, prototype, and other sheet metal assemblies. This position includes a 15% premium for 2nd shift employees, plus a retention bonus of $5,200.

[ghuns]

We'd be hiring a couple moldmakers to replace some guys retiring in December. If there were any to hire.

[Incogneeto]

We'd be hiring a couple moldmakers to replace some guys retiring in December. If there were any to hire.

Does your Kentucky wife have a Seester??

I'm pretty sure I am the last Moldmaker left in E'ville.

[TylerBeer]

Does your Kentucky wife have a Seester??

I'm pretty sure I am the last Moldmaker left in E'ville.

yeah most places won't let em work drunk anymore

[ghuns]

yeah most places won't let em work drunk anymore

I think we are reaching the point where you could negotiate that into an employment agreement.

[mega]

yeah most places won't let em work drunk anymore

There are still one or two shops that do! 
I worked in a few of em..

[CNCAppsJames]

We've been on a hiring binge lately

Yes you have.