I think he's dead

[Incogneeto]

EXCELLENT CONVERSATION!!!

I'm glad I started this thread.

Thank you for all The Input.

[mowens]

The purpose of punishment is retribution.

pun·ish·ment

/ˈpəniSHm(ə)nt/

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noun
the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offense.
"crime demands just punishment"

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penalizing
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disciplining
retribution
damnation
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chastisement
the penalty inflicted.
plural noun: punishments
"she assisted her husband to escape punishment for the crime"

[Matthew Hajicek]

The purpose of punishment is retribution.

With the end goal of deterrence.

The whole reason the human race has laws is to change behaviors.  The punishments are there to convince people to obey the laws.

If deterrence were not the goal, why would punishments be attached to violations of the law?

[Del.]

The purpose of punishment is deterrence.

Bullshit

[Incogneeto]

why would punishments be attached to violations of the law?

Cause if they don't do it.....I will.

You still ain't gettin it Matt. Huh?

[Matthew Hajicek]

Bullshit

Let me spell this out in crayon.

You don't want people to take your stuff or hurt your people.  So if they do, you do something to them that they won't like, in proportion.  They, and others who see it, learn not to mess with you and yours.  That's deterrence.  That's how it's worked since long before the dawn of civilization; even animals do it.  That's WHY you feel a need for revenge when someone wrongs you, because reinforcing that deterrent is a survival trait, not just for you, but for everyone in your gene pool.  This is pretty basic kindergarten level stuff.

[Incogneeto]

Let me spell this out in crayon.

  This is pretty basic kindergarten level stuff.

Ok , now I know where you are coming from.

For a minute there you lost me.

[Matthew Hajicek]

Ok , now I know where you are coming from.

For a minute there you lost me.

Apparently it's too complicated for some people here.

When your kindergarten teacher punished you for breaking a rule in class, do you think she was motivated by revenge or a need for retribution?  If you do believe that, maybe that explains your disposition.

[Del.]

Let me spell this out in crayon.

You don't want people to take your stuff or hurt your people.  So if they do, you do something to them that they won't like, in proportion.  They, and others who see it, learn not to mess with you and yours.  That's deterrence.  That's how it's worked since long before the dawn of civilization; even animals do it.  That's WHY you feel a need for revenge when someone wrongs you, because reinforcing that deterrent is a survival trait, not just for you, but for everyone in your gene pool.  This is pretty basic kindergarten level stuff.

I think you're full of shit.

[Matthew Hajicek]

I think you're full of shit.

Wow.  This has been really enlightening, and explains a lot.  My opinions of several people here have sunk to new lows.

[ghuns]

Wow.  This has been really enlightening, and explains a lot.  My opinions of several people here have sunk to new lows.

Consider that there may be people around here who may not share you deeply nuanced and philosophical outlook on crime, punishment, retribution, revenge, and deterrence because they have been effected by violent crime in a way that most of us, thankfully, never will be. 

[mowens]

I think a lot of it depends on perspective. A property crime victim may see punishment for committing the crime purely as retribution. A community may see the same punishment primarily as a way to get a criminal off the street, maybe hoping for deterrence as a side effect but still as a secondary goal.

Violent crime I think is where hope for deterrence falls by the wayside. The primary goal of punishment for violent crimes is to maintain the safety of society as a whole. I just read about a local man who was convicted of indecent liberties with an 8-year-old girl. He was sentenced to life in prison. Very little of this sentence had to do with deterrence, in my opinion. The main goal was to put the man in an environment where he would be unable to commit the same crime again. I supposed that could be considered to be deterrence.

Dennis Radar, BTK, is serving 10 life sentences. The only reason he didn't get sentenced to death is that, at the time he committed his murders, there was no death penalty in Kansas. This sentence is pure retribution.

My opinion is that the main purpose of punishment of a criminal is to ensure the safety of society; it's not unusual that a person who serves a prison sentence vows to never get sent there again. But when you get away from property and drug crime into violent crime, retribution becomes a larger factor in the punishment. 10 life sentences to be served consecutively. Death by lethal injection. I don't believe these sentences will prevent these kinds of crimes from being committed by others. It will protect society from these particular criminals and will deliver a level of retribution that some, like victims and families of victims, may find satisfying.

[Incogneeto]

Death Penalty is not for deterrence but punishment for their crimes.   

It is if Matt says so !!!!

Boogerhead !!

[neurosis]

Aren't all punishments meant to be deterrents?         

[Incogneeto]

Aren't all punishments meant to be deterrents?         

Depends... Sometimes Spankings aren't really about that.  

You telling me you have never Spanked ST???

My weakness has always been "Good girl gone Bad"

"Your a very Bad Girl" Teehee !! Teehee!!

"SMACK !!! Oh Yes Baby"!!!!!