Russia/Ukraine - Putin bad guy or good guy?

[YoDoug]

A few thoughts to consider;

We know the extensive corruption in the Ukraine gov and the massive influence and involvement of the US gov. This have been shown from Biden bragging about firing the prosecutor investigating the corruption to all of the Hunter Bidens deals that are coming to light.

We also know there were biolabs, some suspected as bio-weapon labs, that were being funded by US biomed companies and investment groups. Ties between Hunter/Burisma and these biomed investment groups groups have been found. Other prominent American politicians as well.

Lastly there is the Nazi hold out in Ukrainian gov and population. Couple that with Bidens history of racist comments and his close ties with known KKK politicians and southern segregationists.

Now, I'm not condoning Russia's tactics, including bombing of civilian areas, but,,,,, one could easily make the argument that Putin is the good guy here trying to reclaim the failed, corrupt, and Nazi backed former Russian state. Just saying......

[JParis]

How anyone can rationalize one country beligerantly attacking another sovereign country that was no threat to it is lost on me.

I must have missed class that day

[YoDoug]

How anyone can rationalize one country beligerantly attacking another sovereign country that was no threat to it is lost on me.

I must have missed class that day

Putin claims that Ukraine is a corrupt puppet state for the US and their involvement in Nato is a direct threat. I'm not saying I fully agree, but with the evidence coming out about Bidens corrupt dealings with Ukraine it definitely raises an eyebrow to Putin's claims.

[JParis]

Bidens corrupt dealings with Ukraine it definitely raises an eyebrow to Putin's claims.

Not really...

Russia unilaterally attacked a neighbor...period, end of story.

The rest of it is just fluff and misdirection...any state that isn't in "Russia's sphere of influence" or at the very least not against it, is a threat to Russis in their minds....

[beej]

A few thoughts to consider;

We know the extensive corruption in the Ukraine gov and the massive influence and involvement of the US gov. This have been shown from Biden bragging about firing the prosecutor investigating the corruption to all of the Hunter Bidens deals that are coming to light.

We also know there were biolabs, some suspected as bio-weapon labs, that were being funded by US biomed companies and investment groups. Ties between Hunter/Burisma and these biomed investment groups groups have been found. Other prominent American politicians as well.

Lastly there is the Nazi hold out in Ukrainian gov and population. Couple that with Bidens history of racist comments and his close ties with known KKK politicians and southern segregationists.

Now, I'm not condoning Russia's tactics, including bombing of civilian areas, but,,,,, one could easily make the argument that Putin is the good guy here trying to reclaim the failed, corrupt, and Nazi backed former Russian state. Just saying......

It all makes sense till you think about it.

[JParis]

I think beej touched on it...not everything is a conspriacy

We have gotten so far down the rabbit hole that people have lost sight of what's real and what's not.

WHat Russia is doing is years upon years of failure at every level of government here and across the pond. Even at that, you cannot always control how another chooses to act. Sometimes you just have to react or not as the case may be.

[YoDoug]

Look, I'm not saying I fully agree with Putin, however his claims of Ukrainian corruption and being a US puppet state are being backed by more and more evidence everyday. Likewise, the Biden Admin, Deep state, Dems, Big tech, and the Media are masters of lies. They created an entire Russia collusion lie to try to oust an American president. They misrepresented the infamous Trump/Zelensky phone call to try to impeach Trump. How do we know their version of what is going on in Ukraine is the whole truth?

Putin is ex KGB, he is a lair and wannabe dictator. He has notoriously not been trust worthy, but so are the aforementioned US entities. I don't trust either side of the situation, hence my question, is Putin the bad guy or the good guy? Truthfully, it seems to me like two sides of bad guys fighting to protect their interests.

[YoDoug]

Everything Doug's written is actual

Well I am an electrical engineer, to save time everyone should just assume I'm right from the start.   

[CNCAppsJames]

How anyone can rationalize one country beligerantly attacking another sovereign country that was no threat to it is lost on me.

I must have missed class that day

Not justifying/saying it was ok, hear me out though.

History is an important component to what is actually going on in Ukraine. We did not tolerate the USSR placing nukes in Cuba. That is a point worth noting. SERIOUSLY.

Now, when the USSR fell and Reagan was POTUS, he told Gorbachev in no uncertain terms and I quote "...we will not expand NATO..." it was implied ESPECIALLY not Eastern Bloc nations. Had we only invited the Scandanavian region nations and left it at that, they would still be pissed but they aren't going to start wars because of it. Afterall, that are actually on or immediately adjacent to the North Atlantic. However, once we started admitting former Eastern Bloc countries, which is absolutely in my opinion an overt act of aggression but since they were not bordering countries it still gives Russia some cushion. Meanwhile our CIA sets up shop in Georgia, Chechneya, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria Bellarus, and Ukraine, then starts running and funding NGO's fomenting revolution in Russian bordering nations, then the US starts baiting Russia with "Ukraine is going to join NATO"through back channels... that was the last straw for them. At least from, my seats.

The REALLY fucked up thing about all this isn't just the civillian death toll and all the things that war brings, but, WE.... The  USA did all these things that created this situation in the first place. Then feigned so-called righteous indignation when Russia had enough and invaded. Then if that were not enough, WE had the temerity to tell the American People "see... we knew Russia wanted to go to war all along."

Yeah no shit Dick Tracy. Of course they went to war. They had no other option. WE backed them into a corner and they fought back.

It's like in Football... none of y'all were paying attention when our team was taking out the opponent's team by causing repeated devastating career ending injuries. When they chose to retaliate now the flag comes out? Really? Go back and rewind history. We are not innocent and I'll argue WE caused this war. 90% of US Population is too ignorant to know that though.

Do I agree with what Russia did? Hell no. No nation has the right to invade another nation IMHO. Russa has the right to defend herself from THEIR region's Cuba. Lest you forget, we were MINUTES away from all out war with the USSR.

[CNCAppsJames]

Putin is ex KGB, he is a lair and wannabe dictator. He has notoriously not been trust worthy, but so are the aforementioned US entities.

Dude is a straight up gangster who's NOT afraid to do gangster shit. And if I'm being honest, dude probably gets off on it. He cannot be trusted however he's a worthy adversary and WILL get down to business by any means necessary if need be.

IMHO of course.

[Jim at Gentex]

Dude is a straight up gangster who's NOT afraid to do gangster shit. And if I'm being honest, dude probably gets off on it. He cannot be trusted however he's a worthy adversary and WILL get down to business by any means necessary if need be.

IMHO of course.

Agree 100%

I would also add that Putin knows Biden is his bitch, and Trump was NOT.

Elections DO have consequences...

[Jim at Gentex]

WuT?
You sound like you believe 81 mill voted for him?
Bwahahahahahahaha!

No, what I believe is that he IS the current POTUS by hook or by crook.

[mowens]

Putin, paranoid despot trying to restore the Soviet Union by destroying the country he hoped to conquer - Bad Guy


Anyone trying to keep civilians from dying - good guys

[CNCAppsJames]

Putin, paranoid despot trying to restore the Soviet Union by destroying the country he hoped to conquer - Bad Guy

Dude is gangster AF though. At least the world thinks twice about messing with him.

People will say what they want about #45... NOBODY was pulling this kind of shit when he was in office. The fact we currently have a senile, incontinent, octogenarian that is largely incoherent in the Oval Office means hang onto your hat ladies and gentlemen. Get ready for China to take posession of it's rogue island; Taiwan... and Pants Shitter In-Chief isn't gonna do anything but go get some ice cream.

[YoDoug]

This chart could easily explain why Putin feels he needed to invade Ukraine. If Russia was running secret chemical and bioweapons labs in Mexico you can be damn sure the US would not just stand by and let it happen.