Trump Indicted.

[neurosis]

He faces stiff competition from Senator Menendez.

I'm guessing you missed the point of that?    According to Trump, he's the best at everything. 

[neurosis]

He faces stiff competition from Senator Menendez.

[beej]

I didn't miss the point, but maybe you missed mine. LOL. Had he stayed a democrat, he would already be exonerated.

btw, this is a $130,000 payment. AOC currently is being investigated for a million dollar campaign violation, and when she's done. She'll probably have to pay a fine. There will be no indictment, no mug shot, no trial, and she will still be in office.

Obama had 1.8million in illegal campaign contributions and he had to pay 375,000 fine. So actually, those illegal funds paid for themselves. But still it wasn't a felony. just a violation and a penalty. no indictment, no mug shot, no trial

[RobertELee]

btw, this is a $130,000 payment. AOC currently is being investigated for a million dollar campaign violation, and when she's done. She'll probably have to pay a fine. There will be no indictment, no mug shot, no trial, and she will still be in office.

Obama had 1.8million in illegal campaign contributions and he had to pay 375,000 fine. So actually, those illegal funds paid for themselves. But still it wasn't a felony. just a violation and a penalty. no indictment, no mug shot, no trial

Where's that 24/7 coverage?

[Jeff]

Didn't Clinton give Paula Jones hush money?

[neurosis]

I didn't miss the point, but maybe you missed mine.

You're making some apple to oranges comparisons. There have been plenty of politicians that have committed campaign violations. Some not even aware that they were doing it.

Trump didn't use campaign money to pay Stormy off.  Right?  The violation was cooking the books to hide what they were doing with the goal of furthering his campaign.

What I don't understand, is why he didn't just tell the truth.  I paid the bitch off to shut her up. Not a single Trump voter would have cared. Not even the evangelicals.  Not very christian of them though? 

[mkd]

What I don't understand, is why he didn't just tell the truth.  I paid the bitch off to shut her up. Not a single Trump voter would have cared. Not even the evangelicals.  Not very christian of them though? 

duh, billionaires pay hush money and settle things out of court all the time. Maybe you don't realize advertising you paid hush money kinda defeats the purpose?
 I find the saga entertaining; watching the corrupt democrat witch hunt.

[beej]

You're making some apple to oranges comparisons. There have been plenty of politicians that have committed campaign violations. Some not even aware that they were doing it.

Trump didn't use campaign money to pay Stormy off.  Right?  The violation was cooking the books to hide what they were doing with the goal of furthering his campaign.

What I don't understand, is why he didn't just tell the truth.  I paid the bitch off to shut her up. Not a single Trump voter would have cared. Not even the evangelicals.  Not very christian of them though? 

To the first point, why couldn't he pay money from his own pocket for that? If a person in the private sector could pay money for that, why couldn't a man in the public sector pay money for that? If that is a campaign violation, I don't understand it. Maybe you could "flesh" that out for me. (pun intended)

to the second point, there is a big difference between not caring about, and realizing that you are voting for the lesser of 2 evils, which is a distinction that Christians have to make in nearly every election, at least I do. Because neither party truly reflects my convictions perfectly, and even if someone did, I still might not vote for that person if they don't have all the attributes of a leader, even though I like their system of beliefs.

[Ron]

What I don't understand, is why he didn't just tell the truth.  I paid the bitch off to shut her up. Not a single Trump voter would have cared. Not even the evangelicals.  Not very christian of them though? 

Pre-nup with Melania would've cost him millions

[neurosis]

To the first point, why couldn't he pay money from his own pocket for that? If a person in the private sector could pay money for that, why couldn't a man in the public sector pay money for that? If that is a campaign violation, I don't understand it. Maybe you could "flesh" that out for me. (pun intended)

He paid for it using his own "his business" money.  It was the book cooking that was illegal.  The alleged campaign charges + the book cooking is what makes it a felony. 

I'm barely following this so I hope I'm getting that right. 

the lesser of 2 evils,

I *sorta* get that.  But doesn't it make anyone who criticizes someone like say, Clinton, a hypocrite?

[beej]

But doesn't it make anyone who criticizes someone like say, Clinton, a hypocrite?

Maybe, but I'm more disgusted by the people that I vote for, when they represent my vote poorly, than the people I didn't vote for. right now, if a republican is in trouble and you point out that a democrat did something similar and it was ignored. People always say, well it's apples to oranges and visa versa. I guess the Democrats are apples and the republicans are Oranges. (see what I did there?) so we can never compare them to one another.

Here is the thing though, what ever dirty trick one side uses to defeat the other, will be met with some retaliation that will up the game, and unless someone can show some grace, this will continue to it escalates into something none of us wanted.

[neurosis]

Maybe, but I'm more disgusted by the people that I vote for, when they represent my vote poorly, than the people I didn't vote for.

So then principals don't matter anymore?

I don't know why we pretend that they do. 

[beej]

So then principals don't matter anymore?

did I say that? My point was that I would be more likely to be disgusted by someone like Trump, that I did vote for than someone like Clinton, who I did not vote for. Of course principals matter. But my point earlier was that I may sacrifice a candidates morality in exchange for strong leadership attributes. And I think that a lot of democrats did that with Clinton and a lot of Republicans did that with Trump.

Look. Fred Rogers (Mr Rogers) ideas of how to treat people, his views with christian principals, are probably really close to my own, but I would never vote for him if he had run for president, because I don't think he had the leadership ability it would take. (dealing with people like Putin or Xi Jinping) So if a primary came down to Trump and Mr Rogers, even though, ethically, I like Mr Rogers better I would have had to vote for someone I think has the strong leadership ability, even though I am disgusted by his morals. Just using Mr Rogers as an obvious example to make my point. It could have been anybody.

[neurosis]

did I say that?

No. Nobody does. It's inferred.

You like to preach celibacy but then vote (I assume) for a man who has very obviously cheated on multiple wives.

I'm not trying to give you too much shit about that, but you can't criticize women who want to get abortions and then support someone who supports abortion? I could name several other policies that Trump supports (or has supported until he started pandering to republicans),  that doesn't align with most *conservatives*.   

This is why I sit on the fence when it comes to politics.   

[neurosis]

Sorry, I'll crawl back in to my hole.

I would have more respect for Trump if he had come out and said something like - fuck it - clinton did it. 

That and if he wasn't known for screwing over contractors who've worked for him.  Or blame every failure on someone else.  The things that show that someone actually has integrity.