Biden/Harris 2024

[YoDoug]

that might be believable if we didn't have the 2022 election results to study. Take a look at the candidates who most closely aligned themselves with him. How did they do?

He had + & -'s as a president. I liked a lot of what he did. But his time is passed.

There are a lot of factors to consider when making that statement. Trump's picks absolutely dominated in primaries, but not as well in the elections. To make any statement further you would need to start looking at individual races for specifics, populous make up, historical elections, etc. Left leaning pundits and NeverTrumpers love to make blanket statements that Trump is the reason for loss of all of the candidates he endorsed, when in truth, the other R would have most likely lost as well.

I can agree that I would like to see a better choice than Trump. However, the R party is very divided right now and the big business globalists have their hooks deep into the R party. Unless you get another well known billionaire outsider that is willing run, the sell out America will continue with any R in-house party pick.

[YoDoug]

I'm guessing that most moderates/centrists aren't watching the type of media that is constantly throwing it in their faces. 

Seriously, if you have any social media at all, you have seen the whole stir of Bud light.

[mowens]

If it ends up being Biden and Trump again, I will sit this one out again.

[neurosis]

Seriously, if you have any social media at all, you have seen the whole stir of Bud light.

True, but speaking as a person who sees things more from a centrist lens, while I may find some of the memes funny, I find the memes, and the outrage behind them, sorta ridiculous.    

I also don't watch news channels that are trying to convince me every day that queers are trying to take over the world and it's my job to stop them. Or the other side of it; everyone is a racist or a bigot so I have to stop the fascists.   A little hyperbolic but you know what I'm talking about.   I just don't see it that often unless it's by meme, podcasts like Ben Shapiro's, or Bill Maher making fun of it.

I thank Comcast for making it so easy to dump cable tv.   

[neurosis]

If it ends up being Biden and Trump again, I will sit this one out again.

I'll likely vote 3rd party again or not at all. 

[JParis]

or not at all. 

As much as I hate to admit it, I am leaning this way at this point

[beej]

Biden desperately seeking Trump

Mr. Biden won in 2020 by campaigning largely as the anti-Trump—a reassuring old hand you wouldn't have to think about every day—and he figures he can do it again. The campaign strategy of putting Mr. Trump front and center worked to minimize Democratic losses in 2022. And the party is rolling it out again as Democratic prosecutors line up to keep Mr. Trump center stage with real and potential criminal indictments designed to stretch from here to Election Day.

It might work if Republican voters decide to let Democrats and the press choose their presidential nominee. But it's also risky for the country given Mr. Biden's 80 years, his decline in physical and mental acuity, and the known unknowns that might transpire in the next 19 months. We wrote Saturday about the selfishness of running again, given his decline, on a promise he knows he can't keep to serve until he is 86 years old.

There is also his record in office: unprecedented federal spending that contributed to the worst inflation in 40 years, declining real incomes, worsening culture wars, and growing disorder and declining U.S. influence in the world. His approval rating is down where Mr. Trump's was at this point in his Presidency.

A political poser is why no one serious in the Democratic Party is stepping up to challenge Mr. Biden given his age and record. One likely reason is that Democrats, especially on the left, are happy flying under the cover of Joe from Scranton with a history of political moderation before he became President. They've arguably achieved more of their progressive policy goals under Mr. Biden than they did in two terms with Barack Obama.

Another reason is the fear, bordering on panic, that they might be stuck with the demonstrably poor political talent of Vice President Kamala Harris as their nominee if Mr. Biden bows out. It's a rational worry, yet Democrats also aren't being honest about the likelihood that she could become President if Mr. Biden wins a second term.

The possibility that Mr. Biden's decline could accelerate is real, as is the chance that he wouldn't serve out his second term. Democrats will deny it, but a vote for Mr. Biden in 2024 is in a practical sense a vote for Ms. Harris as President as well. Resigning the office in his second term may even be part of Mr. Biden's private calculation. That way Ms. Harris would become America's first female President and could run in 2028 as an incumbent.

All of this explains why Mr. Biden is counting on Republicans to nominate Mr. Trump. The former President will be 78 years old in 2024, which would remove any age and generational advantage for the GOP. He might be able to defeat Mr. Biden if there's a deep recession, a widening global conflict that involves the U.S., or a marked decline in Mr. Biden that even the White House and media can't cover up.

But no one motivates Democrats to vote more than Mr. Trump, who also divides Republicans and has lost support among independents and suburban voters since his 2016 victory. Since that lone triumph, he has been an electoral loser for Republicans.

That's why Mr. Biden is aching for GOP voters to take the Democratic and media bait and nominate the opponent he covets.

[Smit]

I'll likely vote 3rd party again or not at all. 

If you truly believe there's no difference that's fine, but if you think there is you should hold your nose and vote for the lesser of the two evils.... just like the rest of us do!

[YoDoug]

Mr. Biden won in 2020

If you believe that opening statement no read to read any further. The rest is predicated on belief that Biden actually won. If Biden only won by fraud, then the rest of the story is just more anti-Trump propaganda.

[Del.]

I believe Biden win but from overwhelming early voting and mail in ballots. I don't think there was fraud.

[Del.]

Funny

https://www.facebook.com/reel/4097082077184164?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=0NULKw

[Smit]

I also don't watch news channels that are trying to convince me every day that queers are trying to take over the world and it's my job to stop them. Or the other side of it; everyone is a racist or a bigot so I have to stop the fascists.

Both of those things are right wing media stuff. They get you to hate the queers and then they get you to believe everybody thinks you're a bigot for hating people so you play your white grievance card. 

[neurosis]

If you truly believe there's no difference that's fine, but if you think there is you should hold your nose and vote for the lesser of the two evils.... just like the rest of us do!

There is no lesser of those two evils.

See my thread about higher credit ratings having to pay more for their mortgages.  How is that *better*?

[neurosis]

Both of those things are right wing media stuff. They get you to hate the queers and then they get you to believe everybody thinks you're a bigot for hating people so you play your white grievance card. 

I would be more likely to believe you if I didn't read reddit.   

[beej]

If you believe that opening statement no read to read any further. The rest is predicated on belief that Biden actually won. If Biden only won by fraud, then the rest of the story is just more anti-Trump propaganda.

that's where we are today. you can't even have a conversation because of "dead to me" triggers.