kumbaya and airing of the grievances

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mowens

"I would gladly risk feeling bad at times if it also meant that I could taste my dessert." - Data

mowens

For me it means foreign object debris. It's a big deal in aircraft manufacturing.
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RobertELee

Fucked Over Daily or Fucked On Delivery?
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mowens

Quote from: Newbeeeeâ„¢ on October 19, 2023, 06:27 AMEspecially dropping it into your keyboard or getting smudgy paw prints on the puter screen 😁

 :)

I don't even get close to an actual aircraft.
"I would gladly risk feeling bad at times if it also meant that I could taste my dessert." - Data

Jim at Gentex

Quote from: mowens on October 19, 2023, 05:45 AMFor me it means foreign object debris. It's a big deal in aircraft manufacturing.

Also a big deal in the aircraft helmet manufacturing business.
We have some pretty strict rules on this stuff that don't often make any sense to me but we follow them.
"Never argue with idiots.
They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain

"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson

mowens

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Just the smallest thing getting sucked into an engine can be catastrophic. Plus, being a vendor and not an OEM, our customers aren't very happy when they receive a brand fuselage and find a sealing tool or food package left behind.

And clean rooms are a whole other level.
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gcode

Quote from: mowens on October 19, 2023, 09:52 AMJust the smallest thing getting sucked into an engine can be catastrophic. Plus, being a vendor and not an OEM, our customers aren't very happy when they receive a brand fuselage and find a sealing tool or food package left behind.

And clean rooms are a whole other level.
When I was stationed at MCAS El Toro, all the aircraft mechanic's tool boxes had form fit foam liners.
Every tool down to the smallest allen wrench had it's own place.
When a mechanic signed off on a job, his toolbox was inspected.
An empty pocket in a tool box would ground an aircraft until the missing tool was accounted for.
We once had a visiting Big Brass's Learjet grounded for three days cause a tool was missing after a routine
maintenance check.
No leave, no liberty, no time off, no nothing but looking for the missing tool... for three days straight.
It turned out, a mechanic took it home in the back pocket of his overalls... and a bad time was had by all


 
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RobertELee

Quote from: gcode on October 19, 2023, 10:52 AMWhen I was stationed at MCAS El Toro, all the aircraft mechanic's tool boxes had form fit foam liners.
Every tool down to the smallest allen wrench had it's own place.
When a mechanic signed off on a job, his toolbox was inspected.
An empty pocket in a tool box would ground an aircraft until the missing tool was accounted for.
We once had a visiting Big Brass's Learjet grounded for three days cause a tool was missing after a routine
maintenance check.
No leave, no liberty, no time off, no nothing but looking for the missing tool... for three days straight.
It turned out, a mechanic took it home in the back pocket of his overalls... and a bad time was had by all


 

I have a buddy who was a Harrier mechanic in the Marines. He has similar stories. To this day his toolboxes are still fully foam organized and labeled to Marine specs.
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gcode

Quote from: RobertELee on October 19, 2023, 10:57 AMI have a buddy who was a Harrier mechanic in the Marines

The unit I was in serviced Vietnam era A4 Skyhawks.

One of the F4 Phantom Squadrons on the base was taking delivery of 1st gen F18's when I was getting out in Nov 1979.

Jeff


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Quote from: gcode on October 19, 2023, 10:52 AMWhen I was stationed at MCAS El Toro, all the aircraft mechanic's tool boxes had form fit foam liners.
Every tool down to the smallest allen wrench had it's own place.
When a mechanic signed off on a job, his toolbox was inspected.
An empty pocket in a tool box would ground an aircraft until the missing tool was accounted for.
We once had a visiting Big Brass's Learjet grounded for three days cause a tool was missing after a routine
maintenance check.
No leave, no liberty, no time off, no nothing but looking for the missing tool... for three days straight.
It turned out, a mechanic took it home in the back pocket of his overalls... and a bad time was had by all


 

Quote from: RobertELee on October 19, 2023, 10:57 AMI have a buddy who was a Harrier mechanic in the Marines. He has similar stories. To this day his toolboxes are still fully foam organized and labeled to Marine specs.


Shadow boards are a must for ensuring tools are returned to their place,
I think companies who don't have a system like that set up are probably bleeding from lost tools,
even if they aren't building planes or some critical assembly you wouldn't want to forget a wrench in.

Quote from: mowens on October 19, 2023, 05:45 AMFor me it means foreign object debris. It's a big deal in aircraft manufacturing.

FOD is a real dozer, they still make you do it even if you work in a desk.

gcode

Quote from: Jeff on October 19, 2023, 11:44 AMWhat the fuck is FOD?

foreign object debris  (or damage)

on a flight line with jet engines winding up even the smallest piece of junk, sucked
though a jet engine can cause million is damage and can and does kill people.
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__

Quote from: Jeff on October 19, 2023, 11:44 AMWhat the fuck is FOD?
It's a training you have to do not to leave stickers stuck to your propellor blade or a wrench in the turbine for aerospace stuff.

Even on the CNC if we have say chips under the part after the flip and it causes problems thats FOD,
or if the parts had a drop of paint it wasn't supposed to, also FOD,

I shoulda just said its short for food and left it at that..
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RobertELee

Quote from: __ on October 19, 2023, 12:44 PMShadow boards are a must for ensuring tools are returned to their place,
I think companies who don't have a system like that set up are probably bleeding from lost tools,
even if they aren't building planes or some critical assembly you wouldn't want to forget a wrench in.


If that company doesn't have someone who cares or it's their specific job they're still losing tons of money. Every place I've worked who implemented shadow boards and such they looked like shit after a week. Missing tools, mixed colors, etc. It's not a be all end all to missing tools and won't fix a fucked up work culture.

Incogneeto

Quote from: RobertELee on October 19, 2023, 02:48 PMIf that company doesn't have someone who cares or it's their specific job they're still losing tons of money. Every place I've worked who implemented shadow boards and such they looked like shit after a week. Missing tools, mixed colors, etc. It's not a be all end all to missing tools and won't fix a fucked up work culture.

I usually find out the Tool or holder I'm looking for was wiped out two weeks ago.

and it's back ordered. ::)
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