AOC is a moron

[CNCAppsJames]

Agree.

Like her killing the Amazon facility project in her district a few years back because she didn't want to give Amazon the tax breaks that provide the incentive for corporations to build new facilities and CREATE JOBS.

She doesn't seem to comprehend that the tax breaks are only temporary, but the jobs, the facility, and the economic growth it provides could be there for decades.

Quite frankly, economics degree or not, her take on this was short-sighted and stupid.
25K to 40K jobs for her district, and long-term economic growth SHOULD HAVE BEEN a no-brainer.

And even after that massive butt stick she gave her constituents, they chose to send her back. :O Talk about thank you sir may I have another.

She as a moron for that deal, her constituents, are imbeciles for giving her another go at it. At this point, they deserve what they get. Kind of like Los Angeles residents. I don't feel sorry for them one bit anymore. They are getting the government they deserve voted for (Karen Bass, George GasCON, Robert Luna(tic), et al), and they are getting it good and hard (as my friend gcode likes to say).

[neurosis]

Like her killing the Amazon facility project in her district a few years back because she didn't want to give Amazon the tax breaks that provide the incentive for corporations to build new facilities and CREATE JOBS.

She doesn't seem to comprehend that the tax breaks are only temporary, but the jobs, the facility, and the economic growth it provides could be there for decades.

Quite frankly, economics degree or not, her take on this was short-sighted and stupid.
25K to 40K jobs for her district, and long-term economic growth SHOULD HAVE BEEN a no-brainer.

I mean, that was a double edged sword for her if you think about it.  I know that holding our politicians to any principals these days is almost laughable, but she ran on progressive principals (not giving Corporations tax breaks) and Amazon is known for treating their employees like garbage. Or at least that's the rumor here in Amazon Country.

Probably not a smart thing to do in an area that could use jobs, but that is what she, and supposedly the people who vote for her, stand for. 

[Jim at Gentex]

I mean, that was a double edged sword for her if you think about it.  I know that holding our politicians to any principals these days is almost laughable, but she ran on progressive principals (not giving Corporations tax breaks) and Amazon is known for treating their employees like garbage. Or at least that's the rumor here in Amazon Country.

Probably not a smart thing to do in an area that could use jobs, but that is what she, and supposedly the people who vote for her, stand for. 

If she supposedly has a degree in economics, she would know that the board of directors at Amazon has a fiduciary responsibility to make money for their company.
That includes shopping around for the best deal just as you and I do as consumers.

A big corporation like Amazon can pretty much put a facility anywhere, so the cities which provide the best incentives move to the top of the list.
Cities or states give short-term tax incentives, but there is a HUGE UPSIDE in the long run that they must also consider.
This is just the way business operates in the real world.

Social justice warriors like AOC never seem to grasp the concept of reality because they live in a dream world along with the environmental wackos, where everything is rainbows and unicorns.

Giving any sort of political power to delusional people like that is short-sighted and stupid on OUR part, but as James said, here we are...
These nutjobs keep getting re-elected, and the idiots who keep voting them in don't even realize they are the ones who suffer most. 

I saw an article recently about the proposed area in AOC's district where that Amazon facility wanted to build back in 2019.
Surprise, surprise, it's still a shithole.
If that's what the people who live there stand for, that's what they will continue to get. 

[JParis]

If she supposedly has a degree in economics, she would know that the board of directors at Amazon has a fiduciary responsibility to make money for their company.
That includes shopping around for the best deal just as you and I do as consumers.

You need to factor into her mindset though that she is a "true believer/zealot" in socialist policies.

Most will never understand how to counter these people. You need to understand where they come at things from...
It's akin to playing Chess....once you learn your opponents strategy and mindset, you know how to approach them offensively. If you play a one-sided game, most times you will lose....

I'm not saying agree with them, I am saying understand them.

[neurosis]

If she supposedly has a degree in economics, she would know that the board of directors at Amazon has a fiduciary responsibility to make money for their company.
That includes shopping around for the best deal just as you and I do as consumers.

I'm pretty sure she knows that.  They have this same battle here in Seattle all the time over tax breaks given to Boeing, Amazon, etc. That's allegedly why Boeing started moving out of the State. The progressives know *why* they want the incentives but think that it's unfair to everyone else that they get them.    It's just a matter of principal, not common sense. 

These nutjobs keep getting re-elected, and the idiots who keep voting them in don't even realize they are the ones who suffer most.

I can understand why senior citizens who don't have a nest egg or the impoverished would vote for people like AOC.  I can almost understand why some of these wealthy techies who think that they're fighting for social justice would. If they don't mind having their money transferred to the progressive cause de jure I guess more power to them.  I'll never understand why someone from the middle class would vote for almost any progressive at this point unless they've already planned on living out their elderly years stuck on a fixed income. But, you'd have to show me some stats that say the poor/impoverished suffer more under progressive policy, and obviously, those techies have money to burn. 

[CNCAppsJames]

....But, you'd have to show me some stats that say the poor/impoverished suffer more under progressive policy, and obviously, those techies have money to burn. 

I submit significant portions of Los Angeles, Detroit, Chicago, Portland, Seattle, St. Louis, Baltimore, etc., etc., etc... they ALL suffer from higher crime, higher instances of violence, etc...

The stuff that goes on in those places, that have been governed and run by Democrats for decades, if not generations.

[RobertELee]

I submit significant portions of Los Angeles, Detroit, Chicago, Portland, Seattle, St. Louis, Baltimore, etc., etc., etc... they ALL suffer from higher crime, higher instances of violence, etc...

The stuff that goes on in those places, that have been governed and run by Democrats for decades, if not generations.

I BLAME ELON AND BEZOS!!!! 

[neurosis]

I submit significant portions of Los Angeles, Detroit, Chicago, Portland, Seattle, St. Louis, Baltimore, etc., etc., etc... they ALL suffer from higher crime, higher instances of violence, etc...

The stuff that goes on in those places, that have been governed and run by Democrats for decades, if not generations.

I'd have to agree with you on that point although most of crimes being committed affect business owners and the middle class more.  Hard to steal something from someone who doesn't have anything. 

I was talking more along the lines of assistance for things like healthcare, prescriptions drugs, food, etc.

[CNCAppsJames]

I'd have to agree with you on that point although most of crimes being committed affect business owners and the middle class more.  Hard to steal something from someone who doesn't have anything. 

I was talking more along the lines of assistance for things like healthcare, prescriptions drugs, food, etc.

When I have to go into urban areas for work, one visible indication of overall safety the citizens feel/don't feel are barred windows, and doors... hands down I see more of that in ruban areas than I do in the suburbs or rural areas. Clearly those that live in urban areas have something to protect, and most likely have been victimized at substantially higher rates than their rural counterparts.

As far as assistance goes, government is ill equipped at best to solve those problems. Prior to FDR, and LBJ, those duties were handled by local churches and non-profits. They were funded primarily by church members, and other benefactors. In nearly all cases there were strings attached for assistance. If you didn't have a job, you maintained the premises of the church/non-profit, you assisted others, it wasn't just free money/assistnace. They were able to maintain a sense of dignity while getting on track to get out of that cycle. Enter LBJ and "The War on Poverty", all the dignity has been stripped away, all the strings have been stripped away. Today, attaching strings to assistance is more often than not seen as cruel. "Compassion" is letting people essentially become feral. Feral is the "progressive" way now.. and there's just enough do-gooder white shame leftists out there to enforce their brand of compassion by way of coercion by way of appealing to people's base instincts of survival.

[neurosis]

Feral is the "progressive" way now.. and there's just enough do-gooder white shame leftists out there to enforce their brand of compassion by way of coercion by way of appealing to people's base instincts of survival.

I'm not arguing whether or not public assistance has been good or bad, just that I understand why people in that position would vote for a progressive over a Republican. That includes low/fixed income seniors. Even though some of those old fogies are diehard Republicans. That may end with the baby boomer generation.    

[CNCAppsJames]

Even when I was homeless for a short time, I NEVER voted for a "progressive". When I was 1st married, struggling to pay rent and put food on the table, NEVER! Why?

Jimmy Carter (1976-1980) and Jerry Brown (1975-1983 AND 2011-2019). 

Those individuals scarred me in both a personal and political sense. Those individuals and their failed policies did SO much harm to my nation and state and my family... and the idiots in The People's Republik of Kommiforniastan gave that idiot Jerry Brown another bite at the apple. That reason right there is why I KNOW California will NEVER be red again. Jerry Brown destroying the state once wasn't good enough for them, they gave him two more terms to finish the job. The stupidity that runs that state is beyond fixing. And it infects the whole left coast political landscape.

[neurosis]

Even when I was homeless for a short time, I NEVER voted for a "progressive". When I was 1st married, struggling to pay rent and put food on the table, NEVER! Why?

I kinda fall on both sides of the fence on this because of personal experiences through my life. I have family and friends that have relied on public assistance. Single mothers who were bad at picking men and ended up having to raise 2 - 3 children on their own with no employable skills so had to take jobs making minimum wage. If it hadn't been for some kind of assistance, they wouldn't have fared well.

On the flip side, my Dad was one of those old "I don't want to hear your fucking whining, just get shit done" kind of people and I spent from about 12 years old (when he got out of prison) until I was 16  when I ran away from home, being raised under those standards.  I didn't really follow politics until I got in to my 30's. I was too busy trying to make sure I didn't end up like most of the turds on my mothers side of the family, who are either impoverished, strung out on drugs, or in prison.    

Every home I lived in with the exception of one through my life, was *very* poor. I've seen people who need assistance and I've seen people who take advantage of the system. Shit politicians aside, I don't think that there is enough funding from local churches and non-profits to help all of the people who need it. I could be wrong? I can confidently say that I would NEVER vote for a progressive politician regardless of which side of the fence I fall on public assistance. 

[CNCAppsJames]

...I don't think that there is enough funding from local churches and non-profits to help all of the people who need it. ...

The funding was there BECAUSE people weren't taxed to death and they had a higher percentage of income that was dare I say discretionary.

When I met my wife she was on Public Assistance. Until then, to the best of my knowledge, I had never known a single person on it. She got pregnant at 16 and had Michael. Boyfriend was a deadbeat piece of trash. Michael has a half-sister that's just 3 or 4 months older than he is. Anyway, she got public assistance at some point, finished high school, attended community college (she was on the Dean's and President's List for academic achievement when we met). Once we got married, she got off it at my insistence. Perhaps it was a pride thing, or extra motivation for me to work hard to provide a better life for her and our young family... not really sure. We sure could have used it though. We decided that she'd be a stay at home mom and I'd work.

I thought I was prepared for a family. NOTHING can prepare you for that. Thankfully our church had a pantry and we never went without basic needs. Conservatism and capitalism paved the way for the life I have, NOT progressivism. Fact is progressivism continues to erode my way of life. Be it it's through regulatory tyranny, or the theft of taxation or a combination of the two.

Since the late 80's it's no longer been about "...hey we have this problem let's work to solve it...", not letting the other team get a win at any cost, it's more about about soaking the tax payer and extracting every penny possible from their families, and most importantly, it's about control over every aspect of their life. And the left is leading the charge on ALL those fronts. The right isn't a whole lot better, it's kind of like having  to choose between hitching your wagon to satan or hitching to one of his low level minions at this stage of the game. Hate to say one side is pure evil, but, the evidence and outcomes speak for themselves. Sadly, that's where we've let ourselves get to. We couldn't put FDR in his place and it's just released a cascade that we've held at bay a few times, but I'm afraid the dam is leaking and the foundation is crumbling. Gavin Newsom, the projected Presidential Nominee hates the constitution, wants to abolish the 2nd Amendment.... because the 18th Amendment wrked out so well for us. Make no mistake, the 18th Amendment birthed Organized Crime. Elimination of the 2nd Amendment will make that look like a kindergarden play yard scuffle. They want it. They'll do EVERYTHING they can to get it legislatively or otherwise.

[Jim at Gentex]

I'm pretty sure she knows that.    It's just a matter of principal, not common sense. 

Whether she is ignorant or just plain stupid doesn't really matter.
She is just as dangerous either way.

I personally don't think she has principles OR common sense, but to each his own opinion.
AOC is living proof that there is nothing more insufferable than an attention whore with a cause.

I can understand why senior citizens who don't have a nest egg or the impoverished would vote for people like AOC. 

Oh, but wait, the real hardcore progressives want to take their idea of 'fairness' to a whole new level.
They view your and my 401K accounts as community property that should be equally shared by everyone who wasn't privileged enough to have a good job where they could set aside extra money for retirement.

When their 'principles' involve reaching into MY pocket, yeah, I'm going to push back.
F'kin communists, the lot of them...

[JParis]

When their 'principles' involve reaching into MY pocket, yeah, I'm going to push back.

You're just a selfish person...must be a Republican..