AI predicts the end of meat!

[Del.]

I'm beginning to wish God never made a fuckin vegetable.

[YoDoug]

There's no instances of an infinite number of activities people most certainly participated in. I mean if we want to get into the weeds, it's doesn't give any instances of where/how they were to relieve themselves either, yet most assuredly they did. And THAT activity is as natural an activity as there is and probably took place with close the same amount of regularity as eating.


Clearly there were things they were NOT to eat. Those are explicitly spelled out.

The bottom line is you ARE making an assumption. You ARE assuming in the pre-flood world, meat was not eaten. Many of us assume we have been eating meat since the beginning. Since there is nothing in the bible that clearly or definitively states either position, it's probably something that is going to require agreement to disagree. But you just cannot equivocally state "the bible says Noah and the people prior were vegans/vegetarians" and be correct.

One thing that is for certain, Noah's diet did change drastically after the flood.

Assertions have been made as to why people lived longer then and make assumptions that is was diet that was the factor. I would assert that environmental factors played a larger role than diet.

So just gloss over that part about when and how God uses the word shall when giving instructions. Why would God tell Adam to eat green plants and fruit but wait until after the flood to give instruction on what kind of meat to eat? If it was ok for people to eat meat, and they had been eating meat, why would God need to tell him it was ok? Why in Gen 2 did God say you can eat of any tree in the garden, but not mention meat/animals? There many references from Adam until Noah of God specifying plant food yet none until Noah about meat. Your argument is weak and illogical. If you go by the info given, God instructed Adam to eat plants and there is no reason to believe they did anything other than that.

[CNCAppsJames]

So just gloss over that part about when and how God uses the word shall when giving instructions.

For every beast of the field, every bird of the sky, and everything that walks the land, that has in it a living soul, all plant vegetation shall be food.' It remained that way.

Genesis 1:30 - Straight Hebrew to English translation.
 

Are you saying the "shall" only applies to what you want it to apply to?

[YoDoug]

Genesis 1:30 - Straight Hebrew to English translation.
 

Are you saying the "shall" only applies to what you want it to apply to?

No, I said in the bible when God uses the word Shall, he means it is an instruction or commandment to man. So in the verse you quoted, it says for every living creature, plants shall be food. Seems pretty simple.

[beej]

the word Shall in the English language has 2 definitions:

    1.
    (in the first person) expressing the future tense.
    "this time next week I shall be in Scotland"
    2.
    expressing a strong assertion or intention.
    "they shall succeed" "though shall not kill"

the hebrew word used in Gen1:29 is yih-yeh. it is often translated become or be or shall. indicating the first definition. You might see the similarity to Yay-weh, which is "I am who am"

the Hebrew word used in Exodus20:13 (you shall not kill) is trə-ṣāḥ.  with obvious leanings to the second definition.

disclamier. I'm not that smart. I don't know Hebrew. this is just me comparing texts with Google. But this is why I don't trust very many preachers to tell me what the Bible means. We take a word we know in America and project a theology onto it, that defies original meaning.

[CNCAppsJames]

No, I said in the bible when God uses the word Shall, he means it is an instruction or commandment to man. So in the verse you quoted, it says for every living creature, plants shall be food. Seems pretty simple.

YOU state they were to only eat plants. Looks like birds and animals were included. You cannot make the assertion that the statement only applies to plants. Seems pretty simple.

[CNCAppsJames]

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disclamier. I'm not that smart. I don't know Hebrew. this is just me comparing texts with Google. But this is why I don't trust very many preachers to tell me what the Bible means. We take a word we know in America and project a theology onto it, that defies original meaning.

In matters of doctrine, I'm the same way which is why I go straight to the Hebrew as opposed to relying on any one particular translation of the bible. Some versions are better word for word translations, some are better thought for thought translations, and others are better concept for concept. They all have a place for centextual study IMHO.

This debate is why both a hermeneutical and exegetical study of the bible is important.

[beej]

This debate is why both a hermeneutical and exegetical study of the bible is important.

I've enjoyed this conversation. vigorous and honest debate among friends. And even though I disagree (about this) with Doug I do admire his commitment to healthy living.

[MIL-TFP-41]

#flamesuiton

Interesting how this thread went from Artificial Intelligence to an Artificial being.

[neurosis]

I'm done, you choose when to "assume" and when to say God's word is literal and accurate. There is no point discussing this with you any further.

Oh come on!  Dont give up now.  I'm enjoying someone else being in the center of the dog pile for once.   

[YoDoug]

YOU state they were to only eat plants. Looks like birds and animals were included. You cannot make the assertion that the statement only applies to plants. Seems pretty simple.

I think you need to slow down and read that passage again. Pay attention to punctuation. That passage says every living creature with a soul has been given plants for food.

[CNCAppsJames]

I think you need to slow down and read that passage again. Pay attention to punctuation. That passage says every living creature with a soul has benn given plants for food.

And I believe you are missing that there is no shall not eat meat... in Genesis.

[Incogneeto]

I'm beginning to wish God never made a fuckin vegetable.

It was "The Apple" Doombass!! The Apple.

[Incogneeto]

You really Don't think Eve Tempted Adam with a Rutabaga do you??

[mkd]

If you listen on the right frequency, you can hear plants scream when harvested.