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[neurosis]

Because a fully funded public healthcare system that does away with private insurance lowers the quality of healthcare for all...

My experience in the last few years has been that the quality has been pretty bad as it is.  When I had that high blood pressure episode I had to wait over six months just to get in to see a cardiologist. I couldn't believe it.

On top of that, insurance is becoming almost useless unless you have a major medical situation or chronic illness. Deductibles and max out of pockets are pushing 10k these days.  My next visit to Seattle Cancer Care is going to be paid nearly 100% out of my pocket.  That will be for an MRI and blood work.

This Country is going to be fucked soon. Only the wealthy are going to be able to afford health care and everyone else will be bankrupted by it.

[Smit]

I'm mildly surprised but I guess I shouldn't be.

I was gonna say I don't care then changed to no because if people want to do that it's their business.

IMO, the same way it should be with drugs and alcohol.

I don't like sin taxes either.

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My experience in the last few years has been that the quality has been pretty bad as it is.  When I had that high blood pressure episode I had to wait over six months just to get in to see a cardiologist. I couldn't believe it.

On top of that, insurance is becoming almost useless unless you have a major medical situation or chronic illness. Deductibles and max out of pockets are pushing 10k these days.  My next visit to Seattle Cancer Care is going to be paid nearly 100% out of my pocket.  That will be for an MRI and blood work.

This Country is going to be fucked soon. Only the wealthy are going to be able to afford health care and everyone else will be bankrupted by it.

People in Canada die waiting for healthcare, that being said, both countries are sending all the money overseas rather than fixing the problems.

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[Smit]

If the U.S. put all the money we pay for health care insurance premiums into a fully funded public health care system there is no good reason we wouldn't have the best system in the world.

We do spend more per capita than every other country in the world, and it's not particularly close.

[JParis]

If the U.S. put all the money we pay for health care insurance premiums into a fully funded public health care system there is no good reason we wouldn't have the best system in the world.

Just like college when .gov got heavily involved in financing anyone....costs for college didn't go through the roof...

Government would HAVE to either put price controls in place and watch the availability & quality fall OR kepp writing a bigger & bigger check year over year.

Throwing more more $$$ at a problem ONLY increases the cost of the problem product.

[Smit]

As I said, there is no good reason it couldn't be the best in the world.

But humans being what they are it would inevitably be corrupted by greed and profiteering. Kinda like the system we have right now.

[YoDoug]

It doesn't matter whether insurance/healthcare is private or publicly funded, or how greedy insurance/pharma corps are. Look at the lines in any fast food restaurant drive through or the endless growing isles of highly processed foods in the grocery store. The overweight/obese statics over the last 50 years. You can lay the graphs of chronic illness rates for the last century over dietary trends for the same time period and see exactly what is causing our healthcare crises. Western countries are declining in health and it will overwhelm any health care system regardless of how it's funded.

[JParis]

If there was only someone to extol the virtues of moving to a vegan diet.....

 

[beej]

As I said, there is no good reason it couldn't be the best in the world.

But humans being what they are it would inevitably be corrupted by greed and profiteering. Kinda like the system we have right now.

if it was government funded you could add apathy to that list. when I see how our local Post Office is run, it always reminds me why I don't want government insurance. It is unbelievable how little those people care about customer service.

Instead of a single government run health insurance I wish we had 100 different private companies selling health insurance. Private companies can make suggestions about how to live your life. Government makes laws about how to live your life.

[MIL-TFP-41]

More likely to drive people back to smoking cigarettes, which is likely what the government wants, because it is much more profitable for them. I would say it will cost lives..

I read a study a few years back...basically it said that smokers are less of a burden on the heath care system, because they die earlier & are less of a burden in the later years of life. Going off of that, it makes sense that Canada would want people to smoke...less older people to pay for.

[Smit]

if it was government funded you could add apathy to that list. when I see how our local Post Office is run, it always reminds me why I don't want government insurance. It is unbelievable how little those people care about customer service.

Instead of a single government run health insurance I wish we had 100 different private companies selling health insurance. Private companies can make suggestions about how to live your life. Government makes laws about how to live your life.

That's too bad. On the rare occasions I go to our local post office the service isn't bad. Sometimes there is a long line when they get busy.

As far as the government offering suggestions, well, see the link below.

Dietary Guidelines for Americans

[YoDoug]

If there was only someone to extol the virtues of moving to a vegan diet.....

 

I wasn't even going to go there. Just simply that diet and lifestyle of the majority of people in western cultures in leading to reduced health outcomes and high chronic illness rates. We can't solely blame the healthcare system for rising cost when our healthcare needs per person are rising annually.

[YoDoug]

The USDA has a 12 member board that creates the guidelines every 5 years. At one point 9 of those 12 were previous big food corp execs/management or had direct ties through spouse/family/investments/etc. Make guidelines that favor big food corporation/industries and you will have a space reserved for you on the board of a big food corp in a decade. It's a revolving door of corruption that is well documented. The recommendations are very misleading and even contradict themselves. Google "USDA guidelines corporate influence" and you will find dozens of reports and articles showing just how corrupt the system is. 

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The USDA has a 12 member board that creates the guidelines every 5 years. At one point 9 of those 12 were previous big food corp execs/management or had direct ties through spouse/family/investments/etc. Make guidelines that favor big food corporation/industries and you will have a space reserved for you on the board of a big food corp in a decade. It's a revolving door of corruption that is well documented. The recommendations are very misleading and even contradict themselves. Google "USDA guidelines corporate influence" and you will find dozens of reports and articles showing just how corrupt the system is. 

In canada they have this canada food guide they teach in schools and everything, it's not all that healthy at all, certainly it doesn't have a vegan version either