There was no election fraud in 2020

[CNCAppsJames]

And if you believe that, have I got a bridge to sell. 

https://kyma.com/news/crime/2023/03/16/san-luis-woman-pleads-guilty-to-ballot-harvesting-case/ 

[mkd]

yet the people filmed with bushels of ballets are still at large and ready to unload for 2024? 
What about that water leak that did/didn't shut down the count?

[CNCAppsJames]

The harshest part of all of this is that had Bill Barr just investigated even a couple of the allegations (which at least one - see above, resulted in a conviction), it would have quelled the vast majority of the of the ire of the people. Bill Barr refused to even investigate.

There was FAR more than anecdotal evidence not necessarily that fraud HAD occurred or NOT occurred, but there was ample evidence to suggest irregularities that warranted at the very least an investigation.

[beej]

The harshest part of all of this is that had Bill Barr just investigated even a couple of the allegations (which at least one - see above, resulted in a conviction), it would have quelled the vast majority of the of the ire of the people. Bill Barr refused to even investigate.

There was FAR more than anecdotal evidence not necessarily that fraud HAD occurred or NOT occurred, but there was ample evidence to suggest irregularities that warranted at the very least an investigation.

This crime happened during a primary, municipal, election. I'm not sure that would be Bill Barr's responsibility. I'm not saying that similar things didn't happen during the presidential election in 2020. But this was 7 ballots in a local city election in AZ.

[Jeff]

This crime happened during a primary, municipal, election.

I know for a fact it changed the outcome of not only the POTUS vote in Michigan, but also the Senator race and S.O.S. race.
There was an (R) rep (military vet) that was leading (D) Gary Peters by a LOT (about 100k votes) before the "1:30am mystery" and just like the POTUS race and the S.O.S. he was way behind when the counting continued.

[gcode]

The harshest part of all of this is that had Bill Barr just investigated even a couple of the allegations

All the people in power, both Dem's and R's put a bag over their heads and solemnly stated
"I see no evidence of fraud."
The courts pussied out on the hundreds of lawsuits filed, mostly stating such issues were not in their jurisdiction.
or they didn't "have standing" in such matters.
There was enough evidence of fraud in plain sight that only a partisan hack could fail to see it.
The bottom line is our votes are utterly worthless, not worth the speck of ink it takes to fill in a dot on a ballot.

[Incogneeto]

Nope Never Happened.!!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/convicted-democrat-election-fraudster-is-appointed-vice-mayor-of-arizona-city/ar-AA1moe5U?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=dcd268742f0d4367a0ed81cd2d361b09&ei=36


      

[mkd]

it's not in the voting, but in the counting.....

[beej]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saraheccleston/2023/07/26/rudy-giuliani-admits-making-false-statement-about-two-georgia-election-workers/?sh=3506a3aa3fc7

Giuliani said in court filings late Tuesday that he made false accusations about two Georgia election workers, Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, by accusing them of interfering with election counts.

Although the two received death threats and harassment due to the accusations, Giuliani said he did not intentionally inflict emotional distress or any other type of harm on Freeman and Moss.

Giuliani insisted his false accusations were protected by first amendment rights of free speech.

Giuliani's political advisor, Ted Goodman, said that although he may have admitted that the statements were false, his actions were not an attempt to move on to dismissal of the case and that the case was more of a legal issue than a factual one.

Giuliani refused to hand over records in the case, so his acknowledgment of his false statements may be in an effort to make up for that previous infringement.

Freeman and Moss initiated a lawsuit against Giuliani in December 2021 due to his involvement spreading election fraud rumors. The two sued Giuliani and others—who have been dismissed in the case—for defamation, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy. The Trump presidential campaign and Giuliani, who was part of Trump's legal team, used an edited video which gave the illusion that there were people in an election counting room in Georgia who were committing election fraud and stuffing the ballots. The rumors were soon debunked but the two election workers have received continuous harassment at their homes and in public.

I wanted Trump to win as well. But listen to reason. Even his most trusted advisor is saying that he lied to us. Who knows maybe he Trump believed him like we did. But if he had some evidence to show of election fraud, this would have been the place to show it to the world. Instead he hid evidence from the courts and had to admit he lied after it was found in discovery.

[gcode]

Even his most trusted advisor is saying that he lied to us.

Hard to know what to believe.
The courts are utterly corrupt.
They are issuing billion dollar judgements and railroading people.
who had anything to do with questioning the election.
Despite falling on his sword and betraying Trump, he was still hammered with an $184 million judgement
for liable.

[beej]

Hard to know what to believe.

It's not hard to know, it's hard to accept.

Guilliani plead guilty to lying
Sydney Powel plead guilty as well.

They were either lying then, or lying now to protect themselves. which is it, are they liars or turncoats or both?

And why did they hide evidence rather than provide evidence?

Bill Barr insisted that Trump was listening to the wrong people and it was hurting his ability to get good legal counsel. Don't admire the people who are lying to you, admire the people who tell it to you straight even if it's not what you want to hear.

[gcode]

They were either lying then, or lying now to protect themselves. which is it, are they liars or turncoats or both?

they were tried in a kanagroo court
zero hope of acquittal, zero hope of justice,
much like the J6 defendants who have been rotting in solitary for 3 years now.
they did whatever they could to mitigate the damage.

[neurosis]

they were tried in a kanagroo court

All the more reason to provide hard, undeniable evidence. Literally 'nobody' has seen that.

[JParis]

Soooooooo...."if" there was soooooo much election fraud, why hasn't it been found by any reputable news services?

As I recall, a certain newspaper did a deep dive into Florida a couple years after the 2000 election....their determination was Bush won, probably.

So where is, say Fox, Townhall or any one of a few others that people would "reasonably" expect to be legit, doing their look into the several states that people proclaim were "stolen"?

The Arizona look was done by a clown show.....so how about the rest?

Seems to me if it were as real as many have been claiming for 3 years now, that some news organization would drool over winning a Pulitzer....

 

[mkd]

Prosecutor in the Ray Epps saga is asking for 6 months for ACTUALLY inciting the mostly peaceful protest.
 People that went on a tour of the capitol guided by police and people that weren't even in the state got decades long prison sentences.
 The 'legal' process in this country is the apparatchik's punishment.
 Pleading guilty in a kangaroo court is simply accepting the extortionist offer.