Can you Imagine?

[neurosis]

Just to add to that - to enter the Capitol  you have to do so through the visitors center and be checked before entering. Did ANY of those people do that?

[Jim at Gentex]

Yeah, they crossed the police barrier...that's part of protesting.

When BLM shuts down a city street or takes control of several blocks, they are also violating the law, but the J6 protesters are being treated completely differently...that's the whole point.

BLM and Antifa were also burning and looting, which the J6 protesters did not do, but again, they are being held to a different standard.

[neurosis]

Yeah, they crossed the police barrier...that's part of protesting.

It's also breaking the law. Being in that building was illegal. Those ARE the facts. Even if you want to call it protesting.

BLM and Antifa were also burning and looting, which the J6 protesters did not do, but again, they are being held to a different standard.

That might be true. Some of the BLM protesters received federal prison time. "70 defendants who've been sentenced so far have gotten an average of about 27 months behind bars."


My question to you, is do YOU hold them to a different standard? Or is breaking the law breaking the law?  Everyone seems to want to make excuses for these guys using whataboutisms. Can't BOTH be wrong?
 

[RobertELee]

It's also breaking the law. Being in that building was illegal. Those ARE the facts. Even if you want to call it protesting.

That might be true. Some of the BLM protesters received federal prison time. "70 defendants who've been sentenced so far have gotten an average of about 27 months behind bars."


My question to you, is do YOU hold them to a different standard? Or is breaking the law breaking the law?  Everyone seems to want to make excuses for these guys using whataboutisms. Can't BOTH be wrong?
 

YOU are obviously holding them to a different standard. Remember when Biden was proud of the 900 people sentenced, and you just said 70. There were millions of turds Burning Looting and Murdering during the summer of love, yet only 70 federal prosecuted, vs a couple thousand at the capitol. Mind you a federal courthouse and city police precinct got burned and billions of dollars torched. Obviously different standards for red and blue.

If only they would have taken a play out of the Democrat playbook...

[beej]

Can't BOTH be wrong?

In my view, they were both wrong. In the media view, some were patriots/freedom fighters and some were insurrectionists.

[Jim at Gentex]

No, I don't hold them to a different standard, but my opinion doesn't affect them.

The media narrative does affect them, as do the political positions of those investigating and prosecuting them, and those are clearly different standards.

My question to you is why are the J6 people who were standing on the sidewalk still being harassed and threatened 3 years after the fact?

The handful of BLM people who were prosecuted did pay for their crimes, as should any of the VIOLENT J6 protestors, which were relatively few.

[neurosis]

YOU are obviously holding them to a different standard. Remember when Biden was proud of the 900 people sentenced, and you just said 70.

Please, show me one single place EVER that I've defended BLM protesters or ANY rioters for that matter.

I brought up the 70 convictions because if I were to believe you guys, zero people were held accountable. I don't understand the logic behind "because you said 70 people received prison time you are holding them to a different standard". In my opinion, ANYONE who is violent, damages private property, incites, or anything else outside of legal public protest, should be held accountable and I wont make excuses for them. Can you say the same?

[neurosis]

My question to you is why are the J6 people who were standing on the sidewalk still being harassed and threatened 3 years after the fact?

I don't know and I would agree that if that's the case, it's b/s. You should be able to attend a protest without having to worry about being harassed by the Feds, as long as you're not breaking the law. I'd have to see each case and the explanation of why they are being harassed.  I've figure out over the last 10 years of political discussion, don't believe anything without looking in to it first. 

[YoDoug]

Please, show me one single place EVER that I've defended BLM protesters or ANY rioters for that matter.

I brought up the 70 convictions because if I were to believe you guys, zero people were held accountable. I don't understand the logic behind "because you said 70 people received prison time you are holding them to a different standard". In my opinion, ANYONE who is violent, damages private property, incites, or anything else outside of legal public protest, should be held accountable and I wont make excuses for them. Can you say the same?

10 pages of argument of you against the majority of this forum. You are almost ready to join vegan club. 

[Jim at Gentex]

In my opinion, ANYONE who is violent, damages private property, incites, or anything else outside of legal public protest, should be held accountable and I wont make excuses for them. Can you say the same?

Yes, I can say the same, but that is not the issue.
Nobody here is condoning violence.

The issue is the treatment after the fact.

The J6 protesters, who did not burn and loot, are being held to a different standard than the BLM / Antifa folks who arguably caused billions of dollars in damages.

The media and many politicians view the J6 people as insurrectionists, and the BLM and Antifa people as folk heroes and freedom fighters.

THAT is what needs to change IMO.

[beej]

The media and many politicians view the J6 people as insurrectionists, and the BLM and Antifa people as folk heroes and freedom fighters.

THAT is what needs to change IMO.

that is exactly right! When the umpires call balls and strikes in a non partisan consistent manner, everyone can agree with what a ball or strike is. But when each time has to have their own umpire, chaos ensues.

[neurosis]

The media and many politicians view the J6 people as insurrectionists, and the BLM and Antifa people as folk heroes and freedom fighters.

THAT is what needs to change IMO.

I can agree with that.

The part of the last few days of discussion that I can't agree with, is that people in the Capitol building weren't breaking the law or that they were just "sight seeing". 

If I'm out with you and you decide to break in to someone's house and I go in to the house with you, even though I'm not responsible for your actions, I am just as culpable as you. The thought that someone going in after the damage was done, shouldn't be held accountable, isn't how it works.

[neurosis]

10 pages of argument of you against the majority of this forum. You are almost ready to join vegan club. 

I might as well at this point.  It couldn't make anyone dislike me any more.   

[Smit]

I might as well at this point.  It couldn't make anyone dislike me any more.   

Not at all. I love you Neuro, in a non gay manly way. 🥰

[neurosis]

Not at all. I love you Neuro, in a non gay manly way. 🥰

Aww thanks. lol.   

I think I may have even lost Incog on this one.