Found out my HOA is caught up in a fraud lawsuit.

[beej]

Or claim I am a christian and then support a man who's cheated on his current wife with three different women (that we know of) and is married to someone he cheated on his last wife with.

what should a christian have done when the decision was JFK or Richard Nixon.

[neurosis]

what should a christian have done when the decision was JFK or Richard Nixon.

You're asking an atheist what a Christian should have done? You tell me. What should a christian have done? 

[beej]

You're asking an atheist what a Christian should have done? You tell me. What should a christian have done? 

I'm asking you because you were criticizing christians for choosing one over the other. I'm assuming you were criticizing Christians for voting for Trump over Biden, I'm not sure though because, Biden was having an affair with Jill while she was still married to her husband at the time, according to her ex-husband, although the MSM didn't seem to care about that. Biden was also called out by an ex-aide for sexual assault. although, I guess we don't believe all women.

Then at one point christians had to decide who to vote for when George HW Bush was running against Bill Clinton. George had an affair while he was married to Barbara. And Clinton had a team of Bimbo squashers working for him.

But since you are calling out Christians for hypocrisy, if you would please tell me how, not to be a hypocrite I would appreciate it. 

[neurosis]

I'm asking you because you were criticizing christians for choosing one over the other. I'm assuming you were criticizing Christians for voting for Trump over Biden,

Not at all. I don't care who anyone votes for. Just don't pretend to be the moral authority.  I'm only pointing out the hypocrisy. 

But since you are calling out Christians for hypocrisy, if you would please tell me how, not to be a hypocrite I would appreciate it.

Not telling  other people (sorry, suggest) how they should live their lives would be a good start? Don't tell me that people should abstain from sex until marriage and then support someone who is a known fornicator.   

[mowens]

Not telling other people how they should live their lives would be a good start? Don't tell me that people should abstain from sex until marriage and then support someone who is a known fornicator.   

Well, delusion helps. Someone I used to argue with whose name starts with R and ends with eko once posted something to the effect of Trump being a good, moral Christian. I don't remember the exact words.

To be fair, there is no candidate who checks all the boxes for good character and intelligence. We're lucky to find somebody we even marginally support.

[YoDoug]

Free market capitalism has resulted in the greatest wealth and income gap ever. It has grown exponentially for decades. The whole, "the market will correct" is BS. If these corrections actually happened you wouldn't see the gap growing like it does. Also, it would be common place to see mega millionaires/billionaires going broke. It is a rarity. They keep their money sheltered and the stock holders/employees/customers always take the hit. Sure their net worth drops for a bit, but it rarely stays that way.

Unfettered support of greedy big corp free market capitalism will end in socialism. The world is changing. The worlds population is slowing/shrinking. Consumption is down and gross production is down. Add to that AI/automation making billions of people unemployable. The mega rich know this. They need the wealth and income of the middleclass redistributed to the poor so they will spend/consume. First they are coming after home ownership. Next will be your 401k/retirement. They think you only have that middleclass wealth because they so graciously allowed you to work for them. However when it comes to them getting more billions or you being middleclass, they don't care about the middleclass. 

[neurosis]

Someone I used to argue with whose name starts with R and ends with eko

Haha.. I almost spit coffee out when I read that.

To be fair, there is no candidate who checks all the boxes for good character and intelligence. We're lucky to find somebody we even marginally support.

I agree.  At least anyone who would stand a chance of getting elected.

[neurosis]

The whole, "the market will correct" is BS.

Not necessarily true.  When the middle class disappears it won't have a choice but to correct.   

Assuming that we don't end up in a situation like you and JP point out, cradle to grave "womb to the tomb" government support.

Keep buying those houses blackstone!   

[beej]

Not at all. I don't care who anyone votes for. Just don't pretend to be the moral authority.  I'm only pointing out the hypocrisy. 

Not telling  other people (sorry, suggest) how they should live their lives would be a good start? Don't tell me that people should abstain from sex until marriage and then support someone who is a known fornicator.   

Why can't I do both? I would also recommend to Trump, given the opportunity, to start living as he should. Although I don't think he would care any more, than you do, about what I think. But if Trump is going to advocate for policies that I mostly agree with over a Biden, whose morals are also questionable, and is advocating for policies that I completely disagree with it just seems like commonsense to vote for Trump rather then the Biden.

And really, call me a hypocrite if you want, but I like musicians, actors, and sports figures who don't live by the morals I would choose as well. And for the record, I have no---none---zilch---zero---moral authority. I am a sinner. I might be the biggest sinner on this forum. When I talk about morals, I'm getting those from the bible, that I firmly believe in, but fall terribly short of living up to. But that doesn't mean I don't believe those morals are correct and advocate for them. A person addicted to cigarettes might recommend to someone else not to start smoking, is he a hypocrite?

I don't know if you see it or not, but you asking me to completely reject someone that I think is living in sin. That's not exactly Christian.  My motto has always been, "hate the sin, love the sinner."  I can hate Trump's moral values and still vote for him if he is going to push the policies I agree with. I personally love Jimmy Carter's moral values, but his political policies were terrible and bad for the country. Why would I vote for someone who is advocating for terrible policies? Biden has neither great moral values or great policies. The choice isn't hard.

[gcode]

or that judges and prosecutors would be so soft on crime.

or that they would prosecute ex presidents and election officials for questioning ballot counts

[neurosis]

I don't know if you see it or not, but you asking me to completely reject someone that I think is living in sin

I'm not asking you to reject anyone and I don't care if you want to suggest that me or anyone else live their life better. Arguments here or on any social media platform don't really affect my life. Laws passed based on morals passed down by hypocrites do.

[beej]

Free market capitalism has resulted in the greatest wealth and income gap ever. It has grown exponentially for decades. The whole, "the market will correct" is BS. If these corrections actually happened you wouldn't see the gap growing like it does.

Now we are talking about 2 different things. I thought we were talking about the housing prices then we switched to income equality.

[beej]

Laws passed based on morals passed down by hypocrites do.

could you explain that better? which laws based on morals passed by hypocrites are we talking about? Are we talking about the Green energy laws passed by people who have big carbon foot prints?

[neurosis]

could you explain that better? which laws based on morals passed by hypocrites are we talking about? Are we talking about the Green energy laws passed by people who have big carbon foot prints?

I feel the same about those.    Bring someone in here who supports some of the ridiculous leftist laws and I'll complain about those too.   

Not that I don't think we could do a better job of keeping the planet clean.  Passing taxes on to companies knowing damn well that 1) aren't going to go make much of a difference over all, and 2) that the costs will be passed on the the consumers punishing people who already struggle while pretending that you're doing them a favor, is just as bad.

[YoDoug]

Now we are talking about 2 different things. I thought we were talking about the housing prices then we switched to income equality.

It's all related when you consider the reason. The same greedy capitalist corps buying up all the house and driving up the houses are led by the same elite that are benefitting from the wealth/income gap.