president withholds arms to get re-elected 2024 version

[beej]

Remember when Trump withheld arms to Ukraine in 2019 and got impeached for on the basis that he did it to get himself re-elected?

Didn't Biden just do the same thing? Withheld arms from Israel that congress had approved in order appease the college radicals?

What am I missing?

[mkd]

but but but Orange Man bad?

[Incogneeto]

Remember when Trump withheld arms to Ukraine in 2019 and got impeached for on the basis that he did it to get himself re-elected?

Didn't Biden just do the same thing? Withheld arms from Israel that congress had approved in order appease the college radicals?

What am I missing?

Yea But it's different when Biden does it.

To Israel: "We got your Back"

[Smit]

Remember when Trump withheld arms to Ukraine in 2019 and got impeached for on the basis that he did it to get himself re-elected?

Didn't Biden just do the same thing? Withheld arms from Israel that congress had approved in order appease the college radicals?

What am I missing?

Read the links you posted in the other thread to find out.

[beej]

Read the links you posted in the other thread to find out.

I did. this quote is from the first link

A group of nearly 90 House Democrats is urging President Biden to consider halting sales of offensive weaponry to Israel over concerns about continued restrictions on the flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza.

Why it matters: It comes as increasingly intense pro-Palestinian protests have rocked college campuses across the country, alarming many Democrats.

[Smit]

Read the part about the Israeli operation in Rafah.

[ghuns]

Read the part about the Israeli operation in Rafah.

Holding up shipments of JDAM kits, which turn dumb bombs into smart bombs, isn't going to save a single Palestinian life and will likely cause more civilian deaths.

But Biden has to do something to appease the anti-Semitic, looney lefties protesting on every college campus. He can't win reelection without them.

Hamas is entrenched in Rafah surrounding themselves, and their hostages, with human shields. Human shields who voted them into power as their political leadership. I guess Obama was right, elections have consequences.

[mkd]

Read the part about the oct7 rape, murder and pillage of Israel.

fissed

[Smit]

I understand that some people would have no problem if Israel wiped out all the civilian Palestinians along with Hamas but the rest of the world doesn't really support that.

There is nothing simple about anything that is happening over there, but I don't think killing large amounts of civilians is doing anything to make Israel safer in the future.

Quite the opposite, Israel is likely giving Hamas exactly what they were hoping for when they attacked on October 7.

[mkd]

It's really Egypt's fault with their massive wall keeping Hamas' killer population away.
'tear down that wall'

[beej]

Read the part about the Israeli operation in Rafah.

I'm curious about your view as a person who votes with the Democrats, Do you think there should be a regime change in Gaza or should they just be taught a lesson and return to status quo prior to Oct 7th. I personally, looking at this from an outside perspective and only knowing what I read in the papers, just don't see how Hamas can remain in power. Remember that the Oct 7th attack occurred during a cease fire agreement. Who can blame Israeli's for not trusting them abide by the next cease fire agreement?

as far as Biden goes, he counseled Obama not to go in and kill Bin Laden either, so that probably plays into his credibility with Bibi.

[beej]

Quite the opposite, Israel is likely giving Hamas exactly what they were hoping for when they attacked on October 7.

If this is what Hamas Leaders were hoping for, all the more reason they have to be buried under a pile of rubble. I don't know of anybody who wants the population of Gaza wiped out. But you know who does want an entire population of people wiped out? Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran.

[Smit]

Do you think there should be a regime change in Gaza or should they just be taught a lesson and return to status quo prior to Oct 7th.

Hamas has to go and while we're at it, Netanyahu needs to go too.

[mowens]

It's Iran's fault. They didn't want the agreement with Saudia Arabia and Malaysia that would have had them join the Abraham Accords and recognize Israel's sovereignty.


"Iran's interest in this attack stems from a desire to prevent its isolation in the Arab world. A peace agreement between Israel and the Arab world would leave Iran on the outside, with potentially damaging consequences. Before the attack on October 7th, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia were on the brink of signing a peace agreement and joining the Abraham Accord Peace Agreement. This would pave the way for other Arab countries to follow suit, leading to a new alliance between all Arab countries and Israel. The potential economic, educational, and cultural developments that would ensue from this alliance posed a threat to Iran's influence in the region.

Then there's China and Russia, who have been working on a new economic trade agreement called the BRICS with India, Brazil, South Africa, and Iran. The purpose of this agreement is to engage in economic trade without depending on the value of the dollar, thereby reducing American influence in trade transactions. "

[beej]

Hamas has to go and while we're at it, Netanyahu needs to go too.

I'm glad we agree on Hamas. Netanyahu is the only one willing to carry out the first part of that sentence. So I suppose he needs to stay until Hamas is gone.