Trumpers only legitimate conversations thread

[Smit]

It's so nice to be livin rent free in the head of Dumbsmit

You just added one more thing to the long list of stuff you don't understand. 

[neurosis]

All I've heard from TDS people are "all he does is lie!!" Yet when asked to prove the lies they either go off on a tangent,

Just to be fair, this is a fact check of both. They both lied during the debate.


https://www.factcheck.org/2024/06/factchecking-the-biden-trump-debate/

[mowens]

or any other source that is heavily biased.

In general, what source would you consider to be not heavily biased? I only ask because, in today's political and journalistic climate, I don't believe those sources exist.

[neurosis]

In general, what source would you consider to be not heavily biased? I only ask because, in today's political and journalistic climate, I don't believe those sources exist.

Even with bias, some sources are far more credible than others.  The one thing you can't help but notice; name a single right leaning credible source of information.  At least some of the moderate to left sources will give accurate information, even if there is an opinionated spin on it.

There are still some good journalists out there. Part of the problem is us.  We just don't want to hear the things that may not support our political views. 

[Jeff]

When will people stop using "fact check websites" as a reliable source?

Trump warned that Biden "wants to raise your taxes by four times," but Biden has not proposed anything like that. Trump was also mostly wrong when he said Biden "wants the Trump tax cuts to expire." Biden said he would extend them for anyone making under $400,000 a year.


So.... because Biden said this after Trump made the claim, it's a lie by Trump?



Trump grossly inflated the number of immigrants who have entered the country during the Biden administration — putting the number at 18 million to 20 million —

^^ Where is the proof that this is a lie?? Just because this webpage says so? You people will believe anything as long as it's anti-Trump.
There is no way they can accurately count the number of people crossing.
L.A. Times:
SAN DIEGO — Kathy Gomez estimates that U.S. Border Patrol agents catch 75% of the migrants who try to run through the strawberry fields at her farm near the border with Tijuana. Farther east, Miguel Diaz thinks the number hits 90% at his junkyard near the base of Otay Mountain.

But in the San Diego backcountry, rancher Bob Maupin says that, of the migrants who skirt his 250 acres, only 10% get arrested.

Across the Southwest, the rate at which the Border Patrol stops illegal crossings has long been the stuff of coffee shop speculation. In Washington, an effort to make those numbers precise is about to become the thread on which the fate of millions will hang.


That "fact check" site is garbage, as are all sites that "fact check"

[neurosis]

That "fact check" site is garbage, as are all sites that "fact check"

So then find your own.  Or will not not believe anything negative about Trump? 

[Smit]

That "fact check" site is garbage, as are all sites that "fact check"

Spending all that time typing to attack somebody else's source but refuses to list his own sources.

Nope, let's just move along, nothing to see here.   

[neurosis]

That "fact check" site is garbage, as are all sites that "fact check"

Here is a bit of a litmus test for you.  This is an article written by a libertarian think tank. Do you believe what they are saying?

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-data-show-migrants-were-more-likely-be-released-trump-biden


New Data Show Migrants Were More Likely to Be Released by Trump Than Biden

[Jeff]

So then find your own.  Or will not not believe anything negative about Trump? 

lol
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Back up your claims with legitimate proof.
You know, the proof that the Dumbocrats have been trying their ass off to convict Trump of something since 2016?
They couldn't find any so they rigged a courtroom with a corrupt judge that wouldn't let the defense attorneys do their job and refute the claims of the prosecutors. You know those massiveley over-qualified prosecutors that took a case that was well below their pay grade?

Source = trust me bro.

[neurosis]

Source = trust me bro.

When we're looking up information that has anything to do with politics or our government, that's pretty much what we rely on.  "Trust me bro".   

[Jeff]

New Data Show Migrants Were More Likely to Be Released by Trump Than Biden

Think about that sentence for a second. Who fought Trump on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE? hmmm could that be Pelosi and the House? They stonewalled him and the R's on everything so he would fail or might fail.

Now... holy shit Biden's arrest numbers for border crossers are far more than Trumps!! Gee I wonder why that is... maybe because he's making it far easier for illegals to cross at will?
Yeah x amount has been arrested, but XXXXXX amount were let in, given re-fillabel (edit: I can't spell refillable apparently) debit cards, fancy hotels, etc...

Another garbage website.

[Smit]

Del, did you Trumpers vote to have Jeff represent you all in the legitimate conversations thread?

If so, I'd say it's a rather poor choice.

[gcode]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/02/11/trump-biden-immigration-border-compared/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=acq-nat&utm_campaign=content_engage&twclid=23pzil74d6zj73y5nrchv9ttva

Trump vrs Biden on immigration
Published by those Trump loving Nazis at the Washington Post.

[neurosis]

Another garbage website.

I posted that because I wanted to see if it was the source that you had a problem with or the information. 

They're citing a study done that the headline is literally "THE BIDEN BORDER CRISIS: NEW DATA AND TESTIMONY SHOW
HOW THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION OPENED THE SOUTHWEST BORDER AND ABANDONED INTERIOR ENFORCEMENT"

It was only one aspect of that study "Migrants Were More Likely to Be Released by Trump Than Biden".

The rest supports what G posted above.

[RobertELee]

It was only one aspect of that study "Migrants Were More Likely to Be Released by Trump Than Biden".

It's how they skew the data and report it. For instance "1 in 10 migrants released by Trump" or "1 in 20 migrants released by Biden". (Not using actual numbers) When there are only 100,000 crossing the border for Trump or 10,000,000 crossing the border for Biden, you do the math.