Alec Baldwin's Rust case dismissed

[neurosis]

I feel like I shouldn't be surprised?


https://apnews.com/article/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-hutchins-eb3059c696a9aee5cb86967e27d8f3bb

[neurosis]

The big club looks after its assets....

I kinda feel like "the big club" is more responsible than the "asset" in this case? 

I don't know how it works in hollyweird. Do they require the actors to be trained in handling firearms?  In my opinion, the person responsible is already in prison.

[JParis]

Do they require the actors to be trained in handling firearms? 

If you're going to handle one, period

The 4 universal rules of gun safety are:

    Treat all guns as if they are always loaded.
    Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy.
    Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot.
    Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

If the bonehead had simply followed these rules a woman would still be alive. End of story right there.

Regardless of everything up to the point where "HE" pulled the trigger, is meaningless.

and of course ANY time someone hands you a firearm, the first thing you do is to clear it....I don't care if it has already been done by the person handing you the firearm....habit should make you clear it.

[mowens]

It sounds like the prosecutors were about as smart as OJ's.

[neurosis]

The 4 universal rules of gun safety are:

Sure, but my question is, do they require that of actors?  Or do they just put a gun in their hand and say 'act puppet'. 

I would assume that most of those people have never owned a firearm or needed to. 

I'm not sure why they would even use guns capable of firing live rounds with todays technology. 

[Smit]

I'm not sure why they would even use guns capable of firing live rounds with todays technology. 

This for sure.

[gcode]

I'm not sure why they would even use guns capable of firing live rounds with todays technology.

It would be difficult and very expensive to come up with dummy realistic looking firearms.
Hundreds if not thousands of different guns are used in movies.
The industry has the safety protocols down to a science.
I can only think to two occasions where they failed
Alic Baldwin, who is a self absorbed ignorant fool, too important to follow the rules made for peasants
and
Bruce Lee... who was killed exactly same way... a 44 Mag round to the belly fired by a supposedly empty
pistol. I'm not sure, but I believe that occurred in Asia where US film industry rules are not followed.

Two things caused the Baldwin accident.
The prop master allowed the boys to plink cans with the prop guns. This shouldn't have happened.
The boys did not check the pistol when they were done, the prop master did not check it when it was returned
and Baldwin did not check it when it was handed to him.

[neurosis]

Bruce Lee... who was killed exactly same way... a 44 Mag round to the belly fired by a supposedly empty
pistol. I'm not sure, but I believe that occurred in Asia where US film industry rules are not followed.

I think you mean Jason Brandon Lee? 

Two things caused the Baldwin accident.
The prop master allowed the boys to plink cans with the prop guns. This shouldn't have happened.
The boys did not check the pistol when they were done, the prop master did not check it when it was returned
and Baldwin did not check it when it was handed to him.

Yea. I'm a bit conflicted on this.  My feeling toward Alec aside, he was obviously irresponsible.  So are millions of other gun owners across the country.

I don't know very much about the case or the safety protocols they are supposed to follow. Do they require the actors to check the weapons before using them in a scene?  What if the actor doesn't know how?  Do they require actors to go through firearm training before putting a gun in their hand?  These are things that I just don't know.

[mkd]

wasn't it brandon Lee who held a gun loaded with blanks to his temple and pulled the trigger?

[neurosis]

Woops, yes. I meant Brandon. 

[RobertELee]

It would be difficult and very expensive to come up with dummy realistic looking firearms.

In reality I believe they could use real guns, but press a sleeve or donut plug into each chamber that will only allow a dummy round, too long of a round and the action shouldn't close.

Would render all Hollywood guns useless, but would eliminate anymore accidents.

[JParis]

Sure, but my question is, do they require that of actors?  Or do they just put a gun in their hand and say 'act puppet'. 

That is exactly the point...if they're going to handle a firearm, they need to be held responsible for their behavior with it...

That does not in any way limit the liability and responsibility of the others either...

The entire chain failed INCLUDING Baldwin.

His ignorance is not an excuse.  He pointed a firearm, HE pulled the trigger....he is responsible along with a trail of others.

[gcode]

I think you mean Jason Brandon Lee?

You are correct
It was Bruce's son Bradon

[mkd]

His ignorance is not an excuse.  He pointed a firearm, HE pulled the trigger....he is responsible along with a trail of others.

...and publicly fantasized about how it would be to have shot someone dead in a rather Machiavellian tweet meant to paint republicans in a poor light.
 dooshbag doesn't even begin to characterize that scum

if the same scenario happened (as in perpetrated by) a right winger, we wouldn't hear the end of it, in the media; how he made his fantasy come to fruition.
 

I guess the judge gave him bonus points for the scweaty balls skit.

[Jim at Gentex]

I don't know very much about the case or the safety protocols they are supposed to follow. Do they require the actors to check the weapons before using them in a scene?  What if the actor doesn't know how?  Do they require actors to go through firearm training before putting a gun in their hand?  These are things that I just don't know.

Actors are given instruction on the safe handling of any firearm used on set.
It is up to them to FOLLOW said safe handling procedures.
Some are general safety rules, and others are firearm specific, especially if the actor must load / unload or cycle the particular firearm during a scene.

As JP said, THEE NUMBER ONE general safety rule is ALWAYS check whether a firearm is loaded as soon as you pick it up, or someone hands it to you, even if they checked it first, NO EXCEPTIONS...EVER.
Baldwin failed to do that.

Another general safety rule is NEVER point the firearm directly at a target you don't intend to shoot.
My understanding is Alec Baldwin was 'rehearsing' drawing and firing the pistol prior to filming the scene.

If that was the case, he had absolutely no sane reason to point it at ANY PERSON, and pull the trigger, even when rehearsing a scene.
The safe thing to do is pick a spot on the wall or something else to aim at for the purpose of rehearsing the action.
Baldwin also failed to do that.

If he, as a human being, not just an actor, had followed both of those SIMPLE safety rules, we wouldn't be having this conversation. 
Those two things were his direct responsibility for which he should be held accountable.

A third safety issue that was not under his direct control is that live rounds of ammunition should NEVER, EVER be anywhere on set of a movie or TV show. 
Again, NEVER...NO EXCEPTIONS.

This falls directly to the Prop Master, and also indirectly to Alec Baldwin as the Producer of the film.

So yeah, saying he literally got away with taking someone's life without being held accountable is a true statement.