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[Smit]

It's funny to hear Republicans bitch about mail in voting.

Republicans have a post-election epiphany on mail voting


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As Republicans come to terms with their lackluster midterm performance, top GOP officials and conservative luminaries are acknowledging voters were led astray with calls to reject early and absentee voting.

They're just not naming the leading figure who helped get them there.

"Our voters need to vote early. There were many in 2020 saying, don't vote by mail, don't vote early, and we have to stop that, and understand that if Democrats are getting ballots in for a month, we can't expect to get it all done in one day," RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel warned on Fox News.

McDaniel did not mention former president Donald Trump, who has railed against early, absentee, and mail-in voting for years and falsely claimed the methods led to widespread voter fraud that cost him the election. And a spokesperson said her comments were not targeted at the former president.

But, privately, Republican operatives concede that Trump has put their party in an electoral pinch and that the problems extend beyond voting methods.

"We can sit here and talk about mail-in voting and use that as an excuse but that's like an alcoholic saying they're not going to drink gin anymore, just beer," said one top GOP campaign official. "We have 99 problems and mail-in voting is one."

There is a growing sense of alarm among the GOP ranks that the conspiracy theories Trump pushed about early voting and mail ballots not only hurt them dearly in the just completed midterms, but could take multiple cycles to remedy. Republican committees and groups have been working to educate voters on laws regarding early voting and are planning to ramp up those efforts. But they are up against not only Trump and his outsized megaphone but also a sizable swath of conservative leaders who now falsely state early voting and mail ballots are tainted.

[neurosis]

If you can't beat them, join them.  

[beej]

#1 Don't move to California. Problem solved.
#2 Illegals don't get free federal assistance. You're being lied to.
#3 The world is changing. Climate change is real. You should get real too.
#4 You seem to be OK with J6. Curious.
#5 Mind your own fkn business. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. You're not a fkn doctor, Trump isn't a
  fkn doctor, the supreme court aren't fkn doctors, and your Republican representatives aren't fkn doctors.
  If you have a religious problem, move to a country with a theocracy.
#6 I doubt any pronouns really affect you in the real world. They don't affect me. So what the fk are you so
  upset about? Just treat people the way you want to be treated and everything will be fine.
#7 Student loan policy needs to be fixed.
#8 Climate denier. Seek information to find out what's really happening. Even nuts acknowledge climate change
  is real. Trump didn't bring coal back the first term and it's not going to happen now either. He lied to
  you, you bought it.
#9 Most states require voters to show identification. Which states don't?
#10 Iran started developing their nuclear energy program after Trump walked out of the treaty. It's OK to let
    them get stronger that way? Get real.

#1 or vote for politicians who want to model America after California
#2 Del said they get free healthcare and free education. that's true. https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/#:~:text=Federal%20Public%20Benefits%20Generally%20Denied,paid%20for%20by%20federal%20funds.
#3 When the presidential motorcade is all electric, he should mandate EV's for the rest of us. If his motorcade isn't all electric how does he expect the rest of us to drive EV's
#4 Dems were encouraging George Floyd Riots. Harris donated money to help pay bail for rioters. She further inflamed the riots by calling Jacob Blake a hero and going to visit him in the hospital. the man who had digitally raped his ex girlfriend and stole her car and tried to kidnap the children. J6 was bad too, should have never happened. Dems would have more credibility in complaining about J6 if they had not just encouraged the riots of 2020.
#5 the mind your own business argument.dumbest argument you can make about abortion. Slave holders used the same argument to justify slavery.
#6 this has gotten way beyond pronouns. https://apnews.com/article/teacher-fired-transgender-student-pronouns-6fd28b4172fb5fca752599ae2adfb602 my daughter played college soccer. The team had 5 full ride scholarships to give out and 10 partial scholarships. She got a partial scholarship to play division 2 soccer. Trans-athletes could have taken that chance away from her, were she playing in today's era.
#7 agreed
#8 ok but why are they trying to get rid of natural gas. It's one of the cleanest forms of energy available.
#9wrong again https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state. States that vote for Dems every year, do not require photo ID. Coincidence?
#10 the history of Iran and nuclear is worth reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action

[Jim at Gentex]

No proof at all mail in voting is corrupted. Just sayin.

And there is no proof it is NOT corrupt either, and that's the point.
No signature verification leaves the door wide open.

I personally know numerous people who have received ballots in the mail for their dead relatives.
If they chose to be dishonest and fill in those ballots and return them, there is nothing stopping them, and they know nobody will even check.

If you want to believe that 100% of those folks are 100% honest, you can choose to believe that kind of fantasy.

I choose to be realistic, albeit a bit cynical, that there are at least SOME dishonest people who have done that, and just as likely from both parties. 

[neurosis]

#5 the mind your own business argument.dumbest argument you can make about abortion. Slave holders used the same argument to justify slavery.

Isn't that the entire philosophy for libertarians? 

[neurosis]

I kinda feel like 'if you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay man' kinda works?  

[Smit]

And there is no proof it is NOT corrupt either, and that's the point.
No signature verification leaves the door wide open.

I personally know numerous people who have received ballots in the mail for their dead relatives.
If they chose to be dishonest and fill in those ballots and return them, there is nothing stopping them, and they know nobody will even check.

If you want to believe that 100% of those folks are 100% honest, you can choose to believe that kind of fantasy.

I choose to be realistic, albeit a bit cynical, that there are at least SOME dishonest people who have done that, and just as likely from both parties. 

I choose to be realistic also. I'm sure there are some dishonest people in both parties.

And the reality is there is no evidence of wide spread voter fraud. If your guys want to claim there is, they should provide proof.

Why is this hard?

[neurosis]

I choose to be realistic, albeit a bit cynical, that there are at least SOME dishonest people who have done that, and just as likely from both parties.

I wonder which is more likely to commit voter fraud?  We only seem to call out Democrats in here. 

[RobertELee]

I kinda feel like 'if you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay man' kinda works?  

I'm fine with them being allowed to marry, so they can all be miserable too. 

[beej]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/heartland-rasmussen-poll-one-five-161100197.html

A new poll by The Heartland Institute and Rasmussen Reports found one-in-five voters who cast mail-in ballots during the 2020 presidential election admit to participating in at least one kind of voter fraud.

When asked, "During the 2020 election, did you fill out a ballot, in part or in full, on behalf of a friend or family member, such as a spouse or child?", 21% of respondents who said they voted by mail answered "yes." (Filling out a ballot for someone else is illegal in all states, although many states allow people to assist others with voting.)

Additionally, 17% of mail-in voters said they voted "in a state where you were no longer a permanent resident." Seventeen percent of mail-in voters also admitted to signing a "ballot or ballot envelope on behalf of a friend or family member." (Both voting in a state where you are no longer a permanent resident and forging a signature on a ballot or ballot envelope are fraudulent activities that invalidate votes, when caught by election officials.)

According to election data, more than 43 percent of 2020 voters cast ballots by mail, the highest percentage in U.S. history.

Further, 10% of all respondents — not just those who said they voted by mail — claimed that they know "a friend, family member, co-worker, or other acquaintance who has admitted ... that he or she cast a mail-in ballot in 2020 in a state other than his or her state of permanent residence."

Eight percent of all respondents said "a friend, family member, or organization, such as a political party" offered them "pay" or a "reward" for agreeing to vote in the 2020 election.

Taken together, the results of these survey questions appear to show that voter fraud was widespread in the 2020 election, especially among those who cast mail-in ballots.

The poll of 1,085 likely voters was conducted from November 30 to December 6, 2023. Among those surveyed in the poll, 33% were Republicans, 36% were Democrats, and 31% were "other"; 32% were 18-39 years old, 46% were 40-64 years old, and 22% were 65 or older.

[neurosis]

The poll of 1,085 likely voters was conducted from November 30 to December 6, 2023. Among those surveyed in the poll, 33% were Republicans, 36% were Democrats, and 31% were "other"; 32% were 18-39 years old, 46% were 40-64 years old, and 22% were 65 or older.

WHAT!  REPUBLICANS COMMITTED VOTER FRAUD?  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 

When asked, "During the 2020 election, did you fill out a ballot, in part or in full, on behalf of a friend or family member, such as a spouse or child?", 21% of respondents who said they voted by mail answered "yes." (Filling out a ballot for someone else is illegal in all states, although many states allow people to assist others with voting.)

I'm guessing that members of a household influence who the other members vote for, even if they don't fill the ballot out for them? 

[beej]

I'm guessing that members of a household influence who the other members vote for, even if they don't fill the ballot out for them?

Young voters tend to vote democrat while 40-64 year olds tend to vote more conservative so....

[neurosis]

Young voters tend to vote democrat while 40-64 year olds tend to vote more conservative so....

I'm guessing that any ballot that's being filled out or influenced is by someone who does follow politics and for someone who doesn't. 

[CNCAppsJames]

I kinda feel like 'if you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay man' kinda works?  

The only problem with that is the voiciferous alphabet people... that drive legislation don't just want to be married and live their lives... just like we said in the beginning. They demand that you "Accept, endorse, and embrace... if you don't you're a bigot."

[neurosis]

They demand that you "Accept, endorse, and embrace...

Like everything in politics, I feel like the fringe ruins it for the rest.

I have some gay friends. I dated a woman who's father came out as a gay man after 30 years of marriage.  I've seen the communities of "debauchery".  Most people I've met just want to be accepted and not have to hide or be threatened by people who don't want to accept them.  Not accepting them isn't going to change who they are. I've never personally met anyone from those communities who expect to be endorsed.