Awww You feelin ' Poorly?

[Newbeeee™]

Have you read the FOi yet, saying none of the Gov departments has got it?
And there's many others from different depts all around the world. And none have "it"?
So the whole wide world, is apparently relying on outside source (not dug to see who owns the source?)

I'll listen later to this guy.
It was interesting to me that brave Ai was so open about no "proof"....

Ultimately everyone "believes it exists".
Because everyone is told "it exists".
But the Govs have no proof that "it exists".
Just..."insilico"....

[neurosis]

It was interesting to me that brave Ai was so open about no "proof"....

I think that Brave Ai was just reciting information that it dug up regarding the terms of your search. When you change the search terms you get a completely different answer.

This guy is a molecular biologist. He's a real scientist who takes the time to explain in layman's terms how some of this works and the how and why so many people are mislead by misinformation. It's worth a listen even if you decide to disregard it.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/NC_045512.2/

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jvi.00543-20

[Newbeeee™]

I think that Brave Ai was just reciting information that it dug up regarding the terms of your search. When you change the search terms you get a completely different answer.

This guy is a molecular biologist. He's a real scientist who takes the time to explain in layman's terms how some of this works and the how and why so many people are mislead by misinformation. It's worth a listen even if you decide to disregard it.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/NC_045512.2/

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jvi.00543-20

If you look at my my brave Ai link....the search was "Christine Massey foi".
That's it



and LoL @ ncbi - "ChyNUH Virus"

AUTHORS   Wu,F., Zhao,S., Yu,B., Chen,Y.M., Wang,W., Song,Z.G., Hu,Y.,
            Tao,Z.W., Tian,J.H., Pei,Y.Y., Yuan,M.L., Zhang,Y.L., Dai,F.H.,
            Liu,Y., Wang,Q.M., Zheng,J.J., Xu,L., Holmes,E.C. and Zhang,Y.Z.
  TITLE     A new coronavirus associated with human respiratory disease in
            China

[neurosis]

and LoL @ ncbi - "ChyNUH Virus"

I honestly don't know why you're laughing at that.
It is literally the isolate. If you go on that site and do your own search, you can see that there are dozens of them from different places. That just happened to be the first on the list.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/genome/?taxon=2697049

So basically, the claim that it hasn't been isolated is just incorrect.

When you asked

Have you read the FOi yet, saying none of the Gov departments has got it?
And there's many others from different depts all around the world. And none have "it"?

My answer would be, I don't know. Are they responsible for it?  It's obvious that it's been isolated if you know where to look?



Was the point of this that there couldn't possibly be a vaccine if it hasn't been isolated because I feel like that is where this came from?

[Newbeeee™]

I honestly don't know why you're laughing at that.
It is literally the isolate. If you go on that site and do your own search, you can see that there are dozens of them from different places. That just happened to be the first on the list.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/genome/?taxon=2697049

So basically, the claim that it hasn't been isolated is just incorrect.

When you asked

My answer would be, I don't know. Are they responsible for it?  It's obvious that it's been isolated if you know where to look?



Was the point of this that there couldn't possibly be a vaccine if it hasn't been isolated because I feel like that is where this came from?

I'm LOLLing because The Don kept being "told off" for calling it that. Yet China is where "it" supposedly started, and where "it" was supposedly isolated, as shown my a lot of Chinese names.
Yet...."it's not the china virus"

Very disappointing that the places you'd think should have it, don't.
Who really has "it" - does "it" really exist? The links say they've done it and there's definitely a genome sequence "insilico"....
The last 4 years have underlined that I really think it's best to be cynical on all of this sector. 10 years ago the Lancet editor Richard Horton said:-
"The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness."

Then, came 2019....

[neurosis]

Very disappointing that the places you'd think should have it, don't.

Yea, I mean, I don't know who should really have it.

I also don't know any of the people who were filling the foi's and who they were sending them to. Were they intentionally sending them to the wrong places? Did they just not know where to look? 

I find these things a bit suspect because yesterday was the first I've heard of Christine Massey, or that there were foi's sent looking for information on sars-cov-2 isolation and yet I was able to find everything I wanted in two hours.  This is years later?  I would think that by now, anyone who *really* wanted to know would have easily been able to find the same information.

[neurosis]

And by the way, an FOI obviously isn't needed to get this information. It's all publicly available.

It's also obvious that neither of us are scientists or we would have already known that. 

[Newbeeee™]

I find these things a bit suspect because yesterday was the first I've heard of Christine Massey, or that there were foi's sent looking for information on sars-cov-2 isolation and yet I was able to find everything I wanted in two hours.  This is years later?  I would think that by now, anyone who *really* wanted to know would have easily been able to find the same information.

A point I'm badly making, is no.
You think you have the answers, but do you really?
The NHS, CDC, FDA, NIA etc - none have "it" or "them" (any other) as per the Fois.
Everything, is "insilico".
But "you've easily found your answers"

To quote Richard Horton again:-
"The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness."

[neurosis]

A point I'm badly making, is no.
You think you have the answers, but do you really?
The NHS, CDC, FDA, NIA etc - none have "it" or "them" (any other) as per the Fois.
Everything, is "insilico".
But "you've easily found your answers"

Answers to what? I don't even know what the question is.  lol.

I'm just telling you that after doing some digging yesterday, I find out that there is a conspiracy that sars-cov-2 was never isolated. The answer I got was that conspiracy is nonsense, it obviously has. I think that you're (I'm not implying that you came up with this on your own) building a conspiracy where there isn't one.  These isolates exist and they are hosted on the National Library of Medicine which is a US Government site. If Christine Massey (or anyone else) *really* wanted to find this info, It's been there. Either she didn't know where to look, or she didn't want to find it.  

And again, to the bigger point, you don't need an FOI to get the information. You never did. So then what's the point of filing one? Those FOI's in this context are meaningless.

After that, what answers should I be looking for?

[Newbeeee™]

After that, what answers should I be looking for?

Honestly, don't worry.

[neurosis]

Honestly, don't worry.

I'm not worried. Now I'm just curious.  I felt like the FOI requests not returning the information she was looking for wasn't the bigger part of the conspiracy, it's what that supposedly proved.

Going back to your Brave Ai search:

Literally all of the "key findings" have been disproven without needing to file an FOI request.

What I'm not clear on, is why are the FOI requests so important when they were unnecessary to begin with?  (yea, continuing to beat that drum) All Christine Massey (or anyone else) would have had to do, is ask any scientist on the planet and they would have pointed her to the information that she was looking for.

Instead, what we got was someone looking in the wrong place and then sparking a conspiracy that the sars-cov-2 was never isolated. Or even exist? I don't know if anyone else found any humor in Dr Wilson calling this the "flat earth of covid conspiracies"?  I feel like I have to find some humor in it because the level of skepticism caused by these conspiracies is concerning. I was pretty shocked to find out how much traction this has.

Christine massey foi
Christine Massey is a researcher and expert in Freedom of Information (FOI) requests, particularly in the context of public health agencies and the COVID-19 pandemic. Her work focuses on uncovering the truth about SARS-CoV-2, the virus allegedly responsible for COVID-19.

Key Findings

Lack of Virus Isolation: Through FOI requests, Christine Massey and her colleagues have consistently received responses from public health agencies stating that they have "no records of virus purification" or "no records of virus isolation". This suggests that there is no scientific evidence to support the existence of SARS-CoV-2 as a purified or isolated entity.

FOI Requests as a Research Tool: Christine Massey uses FOI requests as a research tool to uncover the truth about SARS-CoV-2. By submitting precise and accurate requests, she has been able to expose the lack of evidence supporting the virus's existence.

Inconsistencies and Deception: Christine Massey's findings have revealed inconsistencies and potential deception by public health agencies. Despite claiming to have isolated and purified the virus, these agencies have responded to FOI requests with "no records" or "no evidence" of such activities.

Anyway, OK.  I'll stop worrying about it.