Election Fraud

[YoDoug]

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

Here is a link to actual convictions and proven election fraud cases. It's in the thousands. Click on any swing state and you will see the majority of convictions/cases since 2020 are absentee ballot fraud. It absolutely happens. The system is full of holes that can be exploited for fraud. The Dem talking point when you bring this up is it is not enough to change an election. However, there is very little way to stop it the fraud from being committed at a level high enough to change the outcome of an election. If the courts would actually let plaintiffs in election challenge cases from 2020 present evidence, the real truth would be widely known, but they shut down any cases before that happens.

Another point, why do the Dems oppose any election reform that would prevent these thousands of proven voter fraud cases from happening again? Why do they put up such an opposition if the actual voter fraud is not enough to change the outcome of an election?

[neurosis]

Here is a link to actual convictions and proven election fraud cases. It's in the thousands.

In the thousands over how many years? 

If you filter the 2016 election for the entire United States, there were 60 total cases across all 50 States.

I did find someone with my same name in there but in a different State.   

[YoDoug]

In the thousands over how many years? 

If you filter the 2016 election for the entire United States, there were 60 total cases across all 50 States.

I did find someone with my same name in there but in a different State.   

Sometimes I think you are just a pot stirrer. I said the Dems will say it is not enough to change and election, but it does show the system is flawed and vulnerable to fraud. Could it happen on a large enough scale to change an election, there is no reason to think it couldn't. Did it happen in large enough scale in 2020, IMO, yes. I have seen enough analysis of voter registrations, counting/reporting anomalies, etc. to think it did happen.

[RobertELee]

Mail in ballots with unmanned drop boxes will most certainly allow voter fraud.

Neuro, Smit, Buckstarch, if the shoe were in the other foot, and voter fraud were potentially happening against your candidate/party/philosophical ideas/etc would you just roll over and allow it or would you be up in arms over it as well?

[RobertELee]

No illegal voting here 

[Jim at Gentex]

Mail in ballots with unmanned drop boxes will most certainly allow voter fraud.

Neuro, Smit, Buckstarch, if the shoe were in the other foot, and voter fraud were potentially happening against your candidate/party/philosophical ideas/etc would you just roll over and allow it or would you be up in arms over it as well?

Hillary claimed the 2016 election was stolen, so why not 2020, or 2024?

[RobertELee]

Hillary claimed the 2016 election was stolen, so why not 2020, or 2024?

There have been claims since 2000. It's a constant issue. Let's fix the fuckin issue rather than kick the ball down the road every 4 years.

[DUM1]

as far as voting goes there a strange " coincidence " for me any how. If you had to vote for more taxes, you would think that every sane person would vote no but here where I live, they vote for more taxation all the time. A new courthouse a new city hall new cop shop all voted in. Then after the fact we have a "free" trolly now that was implemented from the over payment of taxes. I ask everyone I know or just strike up a conversation with they all voted NO. so it Beggs the question, is it just who counts the votes?

[neurosis]

Sometimes I think you are just a pot stirrer. I said the Dems will say it is not enough to change and election, but it does show the system is flawed and vulnerable to fraud. Could it happen on a large enough scale to change an election, there is no reason to think it couldn't. Did it happen in large enough scale in 2020, IMO, yes. I have seen enough analysis of voter registrations, counting/reporting anomalies, etc. to think it did happen.

I'm not trying to stir the pot and I get your point, I'm just saying that it's a tough case to make when you're talking about 60 total convictions out of how many voters in the US?  If this were 2000 fraud convictions in the 2020 election in swing States only, you'd have my (and probably everyone elses) full attention.

[neurosis]

Neuro, Smit, Buckstarch, if the shoe were in the other foot, and voter fraud were potentially happening against your candidate/party/philosophical ideas/etc would you just roll over and allow it or would you be up in arms over it as well?

I live in Washington State. Literally none of the candidates I've voted for have ever been elected in this State and it's a mail in voting here.

[Incogneeto]

I live in Washington State. Literally none of the candidates I've voted for have ever been elected in this State and it's a mail in voting here.

Did you put a stamp on it?

[YoDoug]

I'm not trying to stir the pot and I get your point, I'm just saying that it's a tough case to make when you're talking about 60 total convictions out of how many voters in the US?  If this were 2000 fraud convictions in the 2020 election in swing States only, you'd have my (and probably everyone elses) full attention.

Two points;

60 convictions could be thousands of counts of fraud. A few people with the right access could cast thousands of illegal votes.

Why did every court petitioned either immediately reject the case, or throw it out before letting any of the petitioners present their evidence? There are voter groups that have done the leg work and found enough invalid registrations to actually affect the outcome of an election. All they asked was to present the evidence and force a legit audit. Every time it was shut down before anything meaningful happened. I just don't get it, if every one of these contested swing state elections were so legit, why not allow an audit. It would sure STFU the people calling fraud.

[Smit]

Why did every court petitioned either immediately reject the case, or throw it out before letting any of the petitioners present their evidence?

Because they had no evidence. They would get in front of a judge and rail on about conspiracy theories until they got kicked out of the court.

Mail in ballots with unmanned drop boxes will most certainly allow voter fraud.

Neuro, Smit, Buckstarch, if the shoe were in the other foot, and voter fraud were potentially happening against your candidate/party/philosophical ideas/etc would you just roll over and allow it or would you be up in arms over it as well?

lol. If there was widespread voter fraud you don't think YOUR candidate would benefit from any of it?

That's funny.

[YoDoug]

Because they had no evidence. They would get in front of a judge and rail on about conspiracy theories until they got kicked out of the court.

So you are saying it is like the "evidence" you and Adam Schiff knew of about Trump. One of the two of us has been consistently proven wrong over the years. If you are not sure who go look in the mirror, or at a picture of Adam Schiff.

[RobertELee]

lol. If there was widespread voter fraud you don't think YOUR candidate would benefit from any of it?

That's funny.

And one disenfranchised vote is too many. Elections need to be 100% clear and kosher. It's not a both sides are doing it so...