Sec. of Defense

[Jim at Gentex]

It's a total cop out.  You defending him is pathetic. 

You're not at least curios?  He gets a free pass because he's a trump lap dog?

How do you see a 'free pass' when he was the subject of a DoJ investigation that did NOT indict him, AND a House Ethics Committee investigation that did NOT sanction him?

Doesn't the LACK of indictment or sanction also point to the fact that he may have done nothing wrong, or at least not enough to be indicted or sanctioned?

And yes, witness credibility is a HUGE deal under our legal system.

In fact, you dodged my earlier question about Tony Bobulinski.
He was a VERY credible witness to the Biden family's influence peddling scheme who could 100% verify those texts and emails that were made public from Hunter Biden's laptop.
Yes, the same laptop the media told us was 'Russian disinformation' back then, but now even the NYT admits it is genuine.

Aren't you the least bit curious about the possibility of a past sitting Vice President, then President who may have made millions of dollars for himself and his family by selling influence, and possibly even committing treason?

I will say it again, if Gaetz is actually prosecuted and found guilty of any of those allegations, he should pay the consequences, BUT, if both the DoJ and House investigations were politically motivated and based upon shady witnesses, and no real evidence, wouldn't he be the LAST person his opponents would want to see become AG?

The Democrats and the media did their best to stonewall the Biden corruption investigation, but now, whoever the next AG is, I think they are all shaking in their shoes that Tony Bobulinski will be called to testify in an actual court proceeding instead of a House investigation that had ZERO power to actually prosecute anyone. 

Whether that AG is Matt Gaetz remains to be seen, but if my last name was Biden I would be worried about that whole issue being brought to an actual courtroom. 

[neurosis]

Aren't you the least bit curious about the possibility of a past sitting Vice President, then President who may have made millions of dollars for himself and his family by selling influence, and possibly even committing treason?

Yes.. When did I say I wasn't? When have I ever defended Biden in that case the way you guys are defending Gaetz in this one? 

[CNCAppsJames]

Where do you suggest getting accurate information? 

Depends on what the definition of "accurate" is.



Here's an unfortunate fact in the pharmaceutical world; unless there are lawsuits regarding a specific medication... let's use a popular sleep aid Ambien for example, you will NEVER find out the all cause side effects found in the trials. The only reason we found out how bad Ambien is for you is because it got to Class Action status and enough people did lizard brain stuff they couldn't hide it. Things like gambling away life savings, paying for prostitutes, etc... all while theynwere asleep... and that's the mild stuff.

The current FDA rules allow pharmaceutical companies to hide the side effects they want to... until they get sued, they they have to lift up their skirts

I wish there was a better answer for you.

We live in decaying bodies. From the day we are born our bodies are slowly dying. Some people... the flu is going to take them out. Other people are never going to die... :cough: Keith Richard's: cough: Seriously though, when choosing what medications to take "extreme caution" should be the rule. Everything has a cost. Are the known side effects worse than whatever is being treated? All these questions and more should be asked before participating in some pharmaceutical experiment.

JM2CFWIW YMMV

[CNCAppsJames]

Yes.. When did I say I wasn't? When have I ever defended Biden in that case the way you guys are defending Gaetz in this one? 

Where you see defense, I see let's see some due process. He should not have to prove his innocence, someone should have to prove his guilt.

Remember when all the Russian disinformation that had House Demonrats and the never Trumpers all in a lather? Got up on stages proclaiming soon all will see the " evidence we have seen "  that Trump was colliding with Russia.  Turned out they were ALL lying. We never saw anything because it was all lies amd fabrications that wouldn't even survive a civil trial let alone a criminal one.

No he doesn't get a pass, but given the Dems penchant for lying to committees AND the American People, I'm waving the due process flag ESPECIALLY when it's Democrats making the accusations or starting the investigations.

[neurosis]

I see let's see some due process.

And yet nobody seems to be saying that regarding Biden. That's my only point. This doesn't have that feeling of being objective.  Biden, guilty. Gaetz, lets see some due process.

[Smit]

And yet nobody seems to be saying that regarding Biden.

Well, nobody here does. Democrats get tried in the right wing media and fuck due process.

[Jim at Gentex]

Yes.. When did I say I wasn't? When have I ever defended Biden in that case the way you guys are defending Gaetz in this one? 

I will say it one more time to be clear...

I am not defending Gaetz.
I have stated clearly that if he is prosecuted and found guilty of committing crimes, he should face the punishment for that.

What I HAVE been making an argument for is that it is just as likely, if not more so, that since he made many enemies on both sides of the political fence, these investigation(s) COULD BE nothing more than smoke and mirrors to take him down rather than face him head-to-head as AG.

The evidence I offered to support that position are the FACTS that the DoJ did NOT indict him, nor did the House sanction him for inappropriate conduct.

So then, NOT confirming him because of ALLEGATIONS of misconduct is the same as presuming he is guilty rather that giving him the presumption of innocence, which is THEE foundational principle of our entire legal system.

You seem to keep insisting he has to 'prove' his innocence, but that's not the way it works. 

[neurosis]

I will say it one more time to be clear...

I am not defending Gaetz.
I have stated clearly that if he is prosecuted and found guilty of committing crimes, he should face the punishment for that.

Well, I guess if you can't believe a sex trafficker and an underage sex worker (or another girl who said she witnessed it), who can you believe? 

My opinion, he's getting off and is just as guilty as you guys think Biden is. 

Release the report and I'll have no reason to question his word. And I'll say it again. Strangely convenient and coincidental that he resigned the week they were supposed to release that report.

[Jim at Gentex]

Release the report and I'll have no reason to question his word.

Make him 'prove' he is innocent instead of the investigators 'proving' he is guilty.
Got it.
We all know where you stand on the issue of due process. 

And btw...The Biden family was never investigated by the DoJ.
That may change soon.

[Jeff]

just as guilty as you guys think Biden is

Do you think otherwise? If so, why?

[CNCAppsJames]

And yet nobody seems to be saying that regarding Biden. That's my only point. This doesn't have that feeling of being objective.  Biden, guilty. Gaetz, lets see some due process.

Biden's PUBLIC behavior. Biden's daughter's diary.

vs.

Closed door allegations. 

Surely you see the difference.

When an alleged victim comes out publicly with the accusation perhaps I'll give her some credibility. She's no longer a minor. The accused has a right to confront their accuser. And yeah, I too beleieve if the accuser was even remotely credible, Gloria Allred would be on this like white on rice. 

[Jeff]

When have I ever defended Biden in that case the way you guys are defending Gaetz in this one? 

Have you went after Biden and Hunter the way you're going after Gaetz?

[CNCAppsJames]

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Release the report and I'll have no reason to question his word. And I'll say it again. Strangely convenient and coincidental that he resigned the week they were supposed to release that report.

Write your congressman. Perhaps he/she/it will let you see it. Worst they'll say is no. Then file a FOIA request for the report. You have that right.

Perhaps it is convenient and coincidental. I'm fairly certain that report will make it's way to The Senate for the Confirmation Hearings. You act as if that was the end of it. Bless your heart. You must be new to Washington DC antics. This thing is just getting started. It's going to blow up one way or another. Just give it a minute will ya?

NEVER underestimate the desire of The Senate to make their lower chamber counterlarts look bad. Tbey'll.either look bad hurling false accusations, or they'll.look bad for not forwarding the case to the DOJ for prosecution.

Just let it play out for 5 minutes.

[neurosis]

Have you went after Biden and Hunter the way you're going after Gaetz?

No, because I didn't have to argue with 10 people about whether he was guilty or not. Unlike Gaetz.

[neurosis]

NEVER underestimate the desire of The Senate to make their lower chamber counterlarts look bad. Tbey'll.either look bad hurling false accusations, or they'll.look bad for not forwarding the case to the DOJ for prosecution.

Just let it play out for 5 minutes.

That's a good point. This shit show is more than likely just beginning.