Another school shooting

[Jim at Gentex]

The gender of the person is generally not an issue, but if the initial reports are correct, and this person was female, that would make this case an outlier, or as one person said, an outlier of an outlier.
Very rare.

And yes, mental health issues are the root cause in the vast majority of these school shootings, so that's where the realistic conversation about solutions need to start.

When the governor of the state starts the conversation with 'No teenager should ever have access to a gun.', that's about as UN-realistic as you can get, but that's the mantra we always hear.

That's like saying in the case of a teen drunk driving accident that involves death and dismemberment, 'No teenager should ever have access to alcohol.'

Yeah, no shit.
But when that happens you never hear any conversations about 'banning' alcoholic beverages, or 'common sense legislation' to regulate alcohol sales, because just like the gun issue, we already have enough legislation.

This is a 'people' problem, not a 'thing' problem.
A firearm or a bottle of booze cannot possibly harm anyone unless some human being misuses them.

Until we start realistically dealing with the 'broken' humans in our society, bad things will continue to happen, and wishful thinking like 'No teenager should ever have access to ____________.' is not going to solve anything.

[Del.]

The gender of the person is generally not an issue, but if the initial reports are correct, and this person was female, that would make this case an outlier, or as one person said, an outlier of an outlier.
Very rare.

And yes, mental health issues are the root cause in the vast majority of these school shootings, so that's where the realistic conversation about solutions need to start.

When the governor of the state starts the conversation with 'No teenager should ever have access to a gun.', that's about as UN-realistic as you can get, but that's the mantra we always hear.

That's like saying in the case of a teen drunk driving accident that involves death and dismemberment, 'No teenager should ever have access to alcohol.'

Yeah, no shit.
But when that happens you never hear any conversations about 'banning' alcoholic beverages, or 'common sense legislation' to regulate alcohol sales, because just like the gun issue, we already have enough legislation.

This is a 'people' problem, not a 'thing' problem.
A firearm or a bottle of booze cannot possibly harm anyone unless some human being misuses them.

Until we start realistically dealing with the 'broken' humans in our society, bad things will continue to happen, and wishful thinking like 'No teenager should ever have access to ____________.' is not going to solve anything.

If you give or sell alcohol to minors there is a legal consequence. I strongly feel the same about kids getting access to your guns.

[Jim at Gentex]

If you give or sell alcohol to minors there is a legal consequence. I strongly feel the same about kids getting access to your guns.

I agree, but that won't STOP them from getting either one.

The underlying mental health issues are the REAL problem.

Misusing drugs, alcohol, firearms, etc. are just outworkings of those root problems, so removing those things DOES NOT solve the problem.

[JParis]

I strongly feel the same about kids getting access to your guns.

We have had cases where the kid just kills the parent or parents...

If the parents are negligent, there are remedies already in law to legally address at that level.

I go back to when my son was 14, having all kinds of emotional issues and one of the other kids told me how took my handgun, trigger lock in place, tried to load a round and put it to his head...

My guns left my house that day and were with a friend for for nearly 5 years.

Parents HAVE to recognize behavior and act accordingly...too many parents & guardians lie to themselves about the realities in front of them.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

That is why I said "but have no confirmation on that yet". It was being reported by various people at the start of the news flow. Not once did I say it was clear they were trans, I was relaying what others had said. From the witness reports I was reading they said "looked trans". Again for your slow reading comprehension I said "but have no confirmation on that yet".

My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you very much. If you don't have confirmation on it don't say anything. You were simply trying to bait people into thinking it is an issue, which it's not.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

Because the mental health crisis in this country is pretty bad.  Not knowing what gender you are is a mental health problem.

Are you a mental health expert now? Gender dysphoria is a complicated issue that none of us here are qualified to discuss with any degree of competency.

Let's face it: As a nation, we give don't give two shits about the fact that 45,000 people die every year as a result of guns. We will, however, pretend we have a "mental health crisis" rather than even discuss the possibility that easy access to guns might be an issue. Even better, and more recently, we can pretend that gender issues are a major contributing factor, with almost zero evidence to support this. But it's a topic that's confusing and scary so it takes center stage amongst those who, as usual, don't know any better.

And to the 2A nuts: STFU before you even get started.

[Jon@NOWHERE]

My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you very much. If you don't have confirmation on it don't say anything. You were simply trying to bait people into thinking it is an issue, which it's not.

Calm down there Miss....

The police are discussing it, possibly because the speculation has already happened, and even though he is downplaying whether she was transgender or not it is still part of the story.

https://abc7.com/post/wisconsin-school-shooting-latest-attack-happened-inside-classroom-2nd-grader-made-911-call-police-say/15666454/

[RobertELee]

My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you very much. If you don't have confirmation on it don't say anything. You were simply trying to bait people into thinking it is an issue, which it's not.

Confirmation? Like J6 being deadly? Do you have confirmation on that? 

[Smit]

A few of my Republican brothers love to start posts with: "I don't know if this is true or not but if it is" 

It's like they're eagerly passing disinformation to their own Republican brothers who eagerly eat it up. 

[neurosis]

And yet another thread that Jan 6th was brought up, and not by the so called "leftists" on the forum.    You keeping notes, Del?   


"Madison Police Chief Shon Barnes said Monday, "I don't know whether [the shooter] was transgender or not," adding that the speculation as to Rupnow's background was of no consequence to authorities at the time.

"I don't think that whatever happened today has anything to do with how she or he or they may have wanted to identify," Barnes added."


I have to assume that someone, a reporter maybe, asked if the kid was Trans? What would the point be of even mentioning that at this point?

[Jon@NOWHERE]

And yet another thread that Jan 6th was brought up, and not by the so called "leftists" on the forum.    You keeping notes, Del?   


"Madison Police Chief Shon Barnes said Monday, "I don't know whether [the shooter] was transgender or not," adding that the speculation as to Rupnow's background was of no consequence to authorities at the time.

"I don't think that whatever happened today has anything to do with how she or he or they may have wanted to identify," Barnes added."


I have to assume that someone, a reporter maybe, asked if the kid was Trans? What would the point be of even mentioning that at this point?

Now I am just speculating here, but they(reporters or whomever brought up the transgender issue to begin with) may be looking to see if there were any similarities between this shooting and that of the Nashville Covenant School shooting that was done by a transgender student who most likely was on Testosterone, that and school shootings is not something that most would imagine a girl doing so.  And as with most situations like this that are out of the ordinary, we as humans are doing what we always do by searching for any explanation that would explain the "why" this has happened.  Obviously there is something off with this person....

[RobertELee]

And yet another thread that Jan 6th was brought up, and not by the so called "leftists" on the forum.    You keeping notes, Del?   

I only brought it up because buckchuck has yet to respond to any of my requests for clarification on the deadliness of that horrible and scary day. 

[Jim at Gentex]

A few of my Republican brothers love to start posts with: "I don't know if this is true or not but if it is" 

It's like they're eagerly passing disinformation to their own Republican brothers who eagerly eat it up. 

Ever notice who makes EVERY thread here political by dropping the R word? 

And as for the US Constitution, and in particular the 2nd Amendment,
I WILL NOT STFU...EVER.
If the ignoramuses around here would actually read and understand our rights, they would know that free speech is the first one. 

[mowens]

And to the 2A nuts: STFU before you even get started.

Defending the 2A does not make a person a "nut". IMO, there are no laws that can be passed that would significantly decrease gun deaths.

Until people realize the value and sanctity of a single life, nothing will change. And yes, I will throw out that tired old nugget, what about traffic deaths?

[beej]

Until people realize the value and sanctity of a single life, nothing will change. And yes, I will throw out that tired old nugget, what about traffic deaths?

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