Another school shooting

[CNCAppsJames]

46,728 gun deaths in 2023, that's CDC and Johns Hopkins. Pales in comparison to the 675k that died of fat butt disease.

27,300 of those deaths were suicide. So there's a chunky 58.4% that aren't crimes (philosophy notwithstanding).

Of the gun deaths in 2023: 17,289 (37%), were considered the result of violent crimes. So genuine 'gun violence' accounts for 0.56% of 2023's 3,090,582 total deaths in the USA. Of those 17k, ~600 were the result of mass shootings accounting for 3.4% of all violent crime gun-related deaths.

Drum roll:
Leaving us with 0.019% of all 2023 deaths in the US attributed to mass shootings.

The sensational and tragic nature of mass shootings make super dank news headlines, and get massive amounts of eyes and ears. I highly doubt any other statistically-low cause of death gets as much attention nationally. You guys also have a lot of guns, like a lot a lot, and they won't vanish from legislation. At the end of the day, people kill people, a gun just makes it easy from 5 feet away.


Also, 2022 CDC numbers (keep in mind ALL gun deaths counted in at 46.7k for 2023):

Number of drug overdose deaths: 107,941
Unintentional poisoning deaths: 102,958
Unintentional fall deaths: 44,630
Motor vehicle traffic deaths: 44,534


https://publichealth.jhu.edu/center-for-gun-violence-solutions/2024/continuing-trends-five-key-takeaways-from-2023-cdc-provisional-gun-violence-data
https://www.bradyunited.org/resources/statistics
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm

You KNOW leftists can handle facts... ESPECIALLY when you use their own facts against them.

Nicely done sir!

[mowens]

And to the 2A nuts: STFU before you even get started.

That was Bucky.

[MIL-TFP-41]

Are you a mental health expert now? Gender dysphoria is a complicated issue that none of us here are qualified to discuss with any degree of competency.

Let's face it: As a nation, we give don't give two shits about the fact that 45,000 people die every year as a result of guns. We will, however, pretend we have a "mental health crisis" rather than even discuss the possibility that easy access to guns might be an issue. Even better, and more recently, we can pretend that gender issues are a major contributing factor, with almost zero evidence to support this. But it's a topic that's confusing and scary so it takes center stage amongst those who, as usual, don't know any better.

And to the 2A nuts: STFU before you even get started.

So you believe that the murder & suicide problems we have are not rooted in mental health?
How many mentally healthy people commit murder or suicide?
 

[CNCAppsJames]

... school shootings is not something that most would imagine a girl doing so. 

There have allegedy been 2000 "mass shootings" since 2013. I say allegedly becauae somewhere along the way statisticians changed the definition of "mass". A scant 3% have been inflicted by females. That makes them unique.

Women mass shooters are like black female serial killers. Yeah they are out there, but man are they RARE. Serial killers are almost exclusively white dudes. 

I still believe the rise of social media has been a component few are willing to scrutinize. 

[Incogneeto]

That was Bucky.

I Know , I had a One outta Three Shot so I took it.

[Jim at Gentex]

Nah I don't think so.

Here's the deal. You explain HOW IN THE HELL you interpreted my post in this thread to be anti 2A then maybe we can discuss further.

Please be specific.

Try to keep up, will ya? 
I never said you were anti-2A...that was Bucky who made the STFU statement.

I said I will never STFU about the Constitution, particularly the 2A, because we have a right to free speech.

You said LOL 'Ah yes it is your right to spread misinformation.'

So my question to you is 'what have I posted here that is misinformation?'

[Jon@NOWHERE]

Try to keep up, will ya? 
I never said you were anti-2A...that was Bucky who made the STFU statement.

I said I will never STFU about the Constitution, particularly the 2A, because we have a right to free speech.

You said LOL 'Ah yes it is your right to spread misinformation.'

So my question to you is 'what have I posted here that is misinformation?'

Good luck, we are all rooting for you...

[Bucky Cornstarch]

Couple of points:

This is a thread about the recent school shooting in Wisconsin, where the shooter used a gun. AKA, gun deaths. Suicide by gun still counts as a gun death. Mass shooting deaths, whatever that definition may be, are still caused by guns. If a mentally ill person kills someone with a gun, the shooter is still nuts and the victim is still dead. Same as when a sane person kills with a gun.

If you want to talk about dead fatasses, start another fucking thread. Same with car accident victims, death by scissors victims, etc. Start another fucking thread, and we can discuss that topic there.

As it stands now, over 45,000 people die as a result of guns in the US. Evidence suggests that the majority of us are okay with that number. 2A, motherfuckers! As a gun owner, I can't say I disagree. Why should I? I've never been shot dead by a crazy or trans person with a gun. Heck, I've never been shot dead by a sane binary person with a gun. Lucky me (and you), the system works.

(Side note: has anybody ever thought about how the gun manufacturers (and not necessarily the gun lobby) must secretly root for Democrats to win every election, knowing full well that all of the 2A nuts will buy guns and ammo in a mass frenzy, based solely on the irrational, unfounded fear that the Democrat boogeyman will sneak into their houses at night and take all of their firearms? Pretty funny actually.)

Anyway, I digress. This is fun guys, let's keep it up!

[Smit]

(Side note: has anybody ever thought about how the gun manufacturers (and not necessarily the gun lobby) must secretly root for Democrats to win every election, knowing full well that all of the 2A nuts will buy guns and ammo in a mass frenzy, based solely on the irrational, unfounded fear that the Democrat boogeyman will sneak into their houses at night and take all of their firearms? Pretty funny actually.)

Yeah I have noticed that.

[Incogneeto]

Couple of points:

This is a thread about the recent school shooting in Wisconsin, where the shooter used a gun. AKA, gun deaths. Suicide by gun still counts as a gun death. Mass shooting deaths, whatever that definition may be, are still caused by guns. If a mentally ill person kills someone with a gun, the shooter is still nuts and the victim is still dead. Same as when a sane person kills with a gun.

If you want to talk about dead fatasses, start another fucking thread. Same with car accident victims, death by scissors victims, etc. Start another fucking thread, and we can discuss that topic there.

As it stands now, over 45,000 people die as a result of guns in the US. Evidence suggests that the majority of us are okay with that number. 2A, motherfuckers! As a gun owner, I can't say I disagree. Why should I? I've never been shot dead by a crazy or trans person with a gun. Heck, I've never been shot dead by a sane binary person with a gun. Lucky me (and you), the system works.

(Side note: has anybody ever thought about how the gun manufacturers (and not necessarily the gun lobby) must secretly root for Democrats to win every election, knowing full well that all of the 2A nuts will buy guns and ammo in a mass frenzy, based solely on the irrational, unfounded fear that the Democrat boogeyman will sneak into their houses at night and take all of their firearms? Pretty funny actually.)

Anyway, I digress. This is fun guys, let's keep it up!

Please take your own Advice.

"And to the 2A nuts: STFU before you even get started."

[SuperHoneyBadger]

If you want to talk about dead fatasses, start another fucking thread. Same with car accident victims, death by scissors victims, etc. Start another fucking thread, and we can discuss that topic there.

Forgive me if I misunderstand, but your stance seems to be that there are too many deaths due to guns in the US. That number can't exist in a vacuum, and certainly must be compared to something (other causes of death seems reasonable) to be considered too much or too little. My intention was to illustrate that gun deaths make up a small portion of total preventable deaths, vs the controversy and hullabaloo they stir up.

Equally, your conflagration of all gun deaths being equal doesn't jive with me, alleycat. I firmly believe that all suicides are deserving of intervention, and didn't happen overnight. They can't be lumped in with articulated, premeditated or cartel related violence and result in a meaningful statistic that can be acted on. The solutions are distinctly separate, let's treat the problems as such.

[Jon@NOWHERE]

Forgive me if I misunderstand, but your stance seems to be that there are too many deaths due to guns in the US. That number can't exist in a vacuum, and certainly must be compared to something (other causes of death seems reasonable) to be considered too much or too little. My intention was to illustrate that gun deaths make up a small portion of total preventable deaths, vs the controversy and hullabaloo they stir up.

Equally, your conflagration of all gun deaths being equal doesn't jive with me, alleycat. I firmly believe that all suicides are deserving of intervention, and didn't happen overnight. They can't be lumped in with articulated, premeditated or cartel related violence and result in a meaningful statistic that can be acted on. The solutions are distinctly separate, let's treat the problems as such.

You seem to be new here, but good luck we are all rooting for you...

[mowens]

Couple of points:

This is a thread about the recent school shooting in Wisconsin, where the shooter used a gun. AKA, gun deaths. Suicide by gun still counts as a gun death. Mass shooting deaths, whatever that definition may be, are still caused by guns. If a mentally ill person kills someone with a gun, the shooter is still nuts and the victim is still dead. Same as when a sane person kills with a gun.

If you want to talk about dead fatasses, start another fucking thread. Same with car accident victims, death by scissors victims, etc. Start another fucking thread, and we can discuss that topic there.

As it stands now, over 45,000 people die as a result of guns in the US. Evidence suggests that the majority of us are okay with that number. 2A, motherfuckers! As a gun owner, I can't say I disagree. Why should I? I've never been shot dead by a crazy or trans person with a gun. Heck, I've never been shot dead by a sane binary person with a gun. Lucky me (and you), the system works.

(Side note: has anybody ever thought about how the gun manufacturers (and not necessarily the gun lobby) must secretly root for Democrats to win every election, knowing full well that all of the 2A nuts will buy guns and ammo in a mass frenzy, based solely on the irrational, unfounded fear that the Democrat boogeyman will sneak into their houses at night and take all of their firearms? Pretty funny actually.)

Anyway, I digress. This is fun guys, let's keep it up!

First, I will talk about whatever the fuck I want in an open thread. If that's not ok, then don't fucking post.

Numbers of gun deaths and traffic deaths are similar. I thought it was relevant to point out.

[neurosis]

Numbers of gun deaths and traffic deaths are similar. I thought it was relevant to point out.

The major difference is that one is intentional and the other isn't.

Not that there aren't accidental gun deaths.

[Incogneeto]

First, I will talk about whatever the fuck I want in an open thread. If that's not ok, then don't fucking post.

Numbers of gun deaths and traffic deaths are similar. I thought it was relevant to point out.

It is Refreshing When Bucky Tells you What to Think and What to Do.  

In some ways He reminds me Soo Much of "OneYank"