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Jeff

Quote from: beej on January 20, 2025, 05:51 AMRemember when the democrats did away with the filibuster on judges and then that gave the republicans the ability to put anyone on the supreme court that they wanted? How do you think this precedent of preemptive pardon is going to affect things going forward? stupid move! It didn't limit this administration it gives them complete freedom to do what ever they want with a preemptive at the end.

there will have to be pardon reform now, or the amount of corruption we will have on both sides will be scary.
Didn't Ford pre-emptively pardon Nixon?

neurosis

Is preemptively pardoning someone worse than pardoning someone that you know committed a crime? :shrug: 
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Jeff

Quote from: neurosis on January 20, 2025, 06:09 AMIs preemptively pardoning someone worse than pardoning someone that you know committed a crime? :shrug: 

I think that pardoning someone that hasn't been tried and convicted shouldn't be able to happen.
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neurosis

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Quote from: Jeff on January 20, 2025, 06:15 AMI think that pardoning someone that hasn't been tried and convicted shouldn't be able to happen.

My opinion is that they should have limited power when it comes to pardons period. It's becoming too common to pardon friends, supporters, and family and is being abused.
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I guess a President can hire anybody, to commit any crime, then pardon them on the way out the door.

and

There is no way Biden is actually doing this or even taking part in the decisions on who gets a free pass.
Koko Puffs or Fruit Loops for breakfast is pushing the limits of Dementia Joe's decision-making abilities.

Biden is clearly incapable of being President, so who is making these decisions and is it even legal?
It's pretty clear we have been governed by an as yet unknown and unelected junta for quite some time.

I'm guessing a lot of this will wind up at the Supreme Court.
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Jeff

Quote from: gcode on January 20, 2025, 06:31 AMwho is making these decisions and is it even legal
It's not legal because he's not the one making the decisions.

I have a feeling that a deep dive into his presidency will take place and will uncover the true puppetmasters.

beej

Quote from: neurosis on January 20, 2025, 06:09 AMIs preemptively pardoning someone worse than pardoning someone that you know committed a crime? :shrug: 


If you pardon someone found guilty of a crime, then you at least know what crime was committed and how. If you pardon the person or people  ahead of time, it shuts down the investigation. Now you can't cut a deal with one of them to expose the rest. To find out how the corruption started and know how to keep that from happening again.

How much do you know about Watergate. Nixon nearly got away with it his part of it. One small slip of the tongue about recordings blew the case wide open.


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Smit

Quote from: beej on January 20, 2025, 05:51 AMRemember when the democrats did away with the filibuster on judges and then that gave the republicans the ability to put anyone on the supreme court that they wanted? How do you think this precedent of preemptive pardon is going to affect things going forward? stupid move! It didn't limit this administration it gives them complete freedom to do what ever they want with a preemptive at the end.

there will have to be pardon reform now, or the amount of corruption we will have on both sides will be scary.

It didn't change anything. Any President could have done it without changing anything, and Trump could do it in 4 years without this as a "precedence."

Just sayin.

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If it does end up at SCOTUS it will be too late because Joe will have expired.  He's not long for this world now that his usefulness has run out in about 120min.

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Quote from: beej on January 20, 2025, 06:39 AMHow much do you know about Watergate. Nixon nearly got away with it his part of it. One small slip of the tongue about recordings blew the case wide open.


I thought Forrest Gump busted that
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neurosis

Quote from: beej on January 20, 2025, 06:39 AMIf you pardon someone found guilty of a crime, then you at least know what crime was committed and how. If you pardon the person or people  ahead of time, it shuts down the investigation. Now you can't cut a deal with one of them to expose the rest. To find out how the corruption started and know how to keep that from happening again.


This may be an ignorant question, but can't Congress still open investigations? I'm not sure what the limits would be when the investigation involves pardons?

I feel like if they're going to start handing out pardons, they don't care if these people committed crimes. We saw that with Hunter Biden on one side and Steve Bannon on the other.
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Quote from: neurosis on January 20, 2025, 06:09 AMIs preemptively pardoning someone worse than pardoning someone that you know committed a crime? :shrug: 

Only last week when asked "why pardon Hunter and the others and not yourself", Sleepy replied "I've done nothing wrong".
It's all in yer face - of course they're guilty AF.
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mkd

Quote from: Jeff on January 20, 2025, 05:47 AMWhat facts are you referring to?

He's
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Got
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Nothing  ;D
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mkd

Quote from: neurosis on January 20, 2025, 06:09 AMIs preemptively pardoning someone worse than pardoning someone that you know committed a crime? :shrug: 

There is a difference between immunity and a pardon.
 Immunity isn't part of the pardon power, right?

neurosis

Quote from: mkd on January 20, 2025, 07:24 AMThere is a difference between immunity and a pardon.
 Immunity isn't part of the pardon power, right?

Didn't Trump pardon Bannon before Bannon went to trial? I don't remember you making that argument back then? 
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