libertarian win: Ross Ulbricht

neurosis · January 23, 2025, 07:44 AM

Quote from: mkd on January 23, 2025, 07:34 AMBiden created the conditions at the border that led to innumerable crimes and fentanyl deaths.. so that is exactly your logic

Ok, since you're just making shit up.

By your logic, drug trafficking (or any other illegal activity) is fine as long as you set up a web site to do it.

beej · January 23, 2025, 07:45 AM

Quote from: mkd on January 23, 2025, 07:32 AMhttps://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-joseph-biden-2021-present

List of drug dealers pardoned by Biden all getting months long sentences plus some murderes.
But yeah... Pardoning a website creator inexplicable sentenced to eternity in prison is a bad call.
Nutz!

why isn't it possible to say that Biden was wrong and Trump was wrong? why is that so hard for people?

mkd · January 23, 2025, 07:55 AM

Quote from: beej on January 23, 2025, 07:45 AMwhy isn't it possible to say that Biden was wrong and Trump was wrong? why is that so hard for people?

Why is the concept of Injustice hard for a couple people here?

neurosis · January 23, 2025, 07:55 AM

Based on that last quote (post #92), I think MKD had a stroke.

beej · January 23, 2025, 07:59 AM

Quote from: mkd on January 23, 2025, 07:55 AMWhy is the concept of Injustice hard for a couple people here?

I understand the concept of injustice just fine. But your own ideology of libertarianism could end up killing the mechanism for achieving it.

mowens · January 23, 2025, 08:07 AM

How many deaths can be attributed to drugs bought on this website?

beej · January 23, 2025, 08:10 AM

Quote from: mowens on January 23, 2025, 08:07 AMHow many deaths can be attributed to drugs bought on this website?

the purpose of his website is to make sure you can't know that.

neurosis · January 23, 2025, 08:32 AM

Quote from: mowens on January 23, 2025, 08:07 AMHow many deaths can be attributed to drugs bought on this website?

I think it's impossible to know for sure. According to the DOJ, six can be attributed to the site.

Brave Search:

"Silk Road Drug Deaths
According to the information provided, at least six deaths can be attributed to drugs purchased on the Silk Road. These deaths include:

A 27-year-old Microsoft employee who died of a heroin and prescription drug overdose while his computer was logged into Silk Road.
Two sixteen-year-old boys, one from Australia and one from California, who died from taking 25i-NBOMe, a powerful synthetic drug designed to mimic LSD, which they had bought on the site.
The government has cited these deaths in connection with the sentencing of Ross Ulbricht, the founder of Silk Road."

Vice article

https://www.vice.com/en/article/6-people-died-from-drugs-bought-on-silk-road-government-says/

CNCAppsJames · January 23, 2025, 08:40 AM

"Government says..."

Color me skeptical. Not saying Corn Pop wasn't a bad dude, clearly he is sketchy AF.

I just kinda wonder if he wasn't working for the government at some point then came up to a line he wouldn't cross so they ended him.

Tell me that is not a plausible scenario.

neurosis · January 23, 2025, 08:53 AM

Quote from: CNCAppsJames on January 23, 2025, 08:40 AMColor me skeptical.

Yea, I'm somewhat skeptical. They did have parents of two children show up in court. I guess you would just have to take the parents word for it? I don't know if it's been proven some how, but I don't want to spend the time to look in to it either. I feel like I've spent too much time on it already.

CNCAppsJames · January 23, 2025, 09:09 AM

Quote from: neurosis on January 23, 2025, 08:53 AMYea, I'm somewhat skeptical. They did have parents of two children show up in court. I guess you would just have to take the parents word for it? I don't know if it's been proven some how, but I don't want to spend the time to look in to it either. I feel like I've spent too much time on it already.

I would probably take the parents word... unless tbe math wasn't mathin it's .gov tho... and maybe these people aren't even parents. Just someone. gov marched out to get their conviction.

It's MORE than plausible.

beej · January 23, 2025, 09:32 AM

Quote from: CNCAppsJames on January 23, 2025, 09:09 AMI would probably take the parents word... unless tbe math wasn't mathin it's .gov tho... and maybe these people aren't even parents. Just someone. gov marched out to get their conviction.

It's MORE than plausible.

It seems like they would have just kilt rather than jail him if they were going go through all that.

mkd · January 23, 2025, 09:46 AM

Free will. It's a concept

CNCAppsJames · January 23, 2025, 10:10 AM

Quote from: beej on January 23, 2025, 09:32 AMIt seems like they would have just kilt rather than jail him if they were going go through all that.

Disappearances/killings are a lot harder to deal with. They aren't as easy to pull off as TV would have you to believe. A legal action is easier. Fewer moving parts believe it or not.

neurosis · January 23, 2025, 10:14 AM

Quote from: CNCAppsJames on January 23, 2025, 09:09 AMI would probably take the parents word

I'm not skeptical of the parents. I'm skeptical that there is proof. Unless you can prove the deaths were linked to the site, then the "psyop" people aren't likely to believe the parents.

I'm still trying to figure out what the point of lying to the public about this guy would be.